Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Add Reply
Ranking and bases
Topic Started: 23rd January 2006 - 04:26 PM (1,208 Views)
scrivener
Member Avatar
*toot*

thecoldwarrior
Apr 12 2006, 04:32 AM
If you rank them up like I have read here with tails docked, shields placed precicely, and even numbering the bases to keep them in order, how could you posibaly turn them  so that they still line up? Even if you could do that so they face left, then what about right?

the big nightmare of skaven everywhere.. :rolleyes: i'd just flip the whole unit within the tray to the side then readjust the other fellas so everything still fits the original unit format, that way they're more inclined to rank up than if they all individually turned to the side. i think that works...
hannanibal
 
*Angry mob assembles*

"WHAT DO WE WANT!!??"
"A THINNISH, WATERY PAINT WITH A GREENER TINGE THAN AGRAX EARTHSHADE!!"
"WHEN DO WE WANT IT!?"
"QUITE SOON PLEASE AS MY LAST POT IS RUNNING OUT!"
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
thecoldwarrior
Warlord
Ok well even though the idea of the long bases would have been very cool, I'm shelving the idea for now. I going to work on tail and shield placement, and work with trays. I'm also not going to bother with the magnets for now as well. I have a few questions more though.

-What is the best size for a tray? I'm thinking 5 x 6. This way it covers everything from a 5x? (up to 6 of corse), the 5x5 for stormvermine, 3 rat ogres (one of the reasons I bumped it up to 6), works for plague monks, and giant rat packs, jazziels, the bell, and would work nice for wlc w/crew. Yeah I know I can make them any size, but I'm also looking at changing things up on the fly. What do you think?

-What size is a chariot base? Yeah I know I asked this before, but I cant find the post and I want to make sure.

-I want to base the bell with styrene (well after I make it). In the book it shows a diagram of how to rank ratz around the bell. It shows 2x3 so obviously its not on a chariot base. Is this correct?

Thanx again for all your help.
three rats walk into a bar........oh you've heard this one
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tunnel Rat
Member Avatar
Patron of the Lurking and the Sneaky-Sneaky
Going 5x6 sounds like the best option if you want some flexibility. Maybe later on work on more custom sizes when you have a better idea of all the sizes of your units.

Chariot bases are 50x100.

You are correct on the base size of the Bell. It's 40x60. Here's the link on base sizes:
http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer/bas.../base-chart.pdf

My Blog
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
thecoldwarrior
Warlord
thanx!!! that link is great!!!
three rats walk into a bar........oh you've heard this one
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sir Plague-a-lot
Member Avatar
Clanrat
I use the 40*40 mm bases (oger size), in skaven terms thats 4 rats. I used the 20'*80 before on other
armys of mine. The reason I changed is that I want my skaven units to have a random and unorganized
look, more like a furry mass charging forward, I don´t want them to be in perfect ranks like drilled elite infantry.

Its easier to place your troops randomly on these bases to loose some of the rank-feel they´re also great if
you wish to make some bigger conversions involving sveral models.
my paint blogg
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
thecoldwarrior
Warlord
That is a great idea!!! Then you get the openness of the large 40mm base, yet its still the correct size for 4 rats!!! I saw a pic of a orc unit in a recent WD that has them all fighting in the ranks. With skaven though its not even enough room to put the ratz on the bases. Dang it that is the closeest idea I have seen yet of what I want to do, but I'll still have to think about it.
three rats walk into a bar........oh you've heard this one
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Clayflesh the Re-Former
Member Avatar
Most Favoured of Lucy One-Eye
You know, I'm really glad I read Sir Plague's post just now. I have yet to start in on my Clannies (I'm planning for two units of 30 when all's said & done) and I just happen to have a bunch of the 40x40mm bases. The issue of ranking with tails lashing out in all directions might not be as much of an issue if they're used properly.

And since there's a base number of 20 for Clannies, maybe four groups of four (16) with four individual models preceding them (Champ, BSB, Musician, +1) for a total of 20. That way there would be some room on the side for a character/hero to join the unit, or to expand the unit with another group of 4 (=24) and 6 individual models (=30) to round out the rest of the unit and allow for fatalities.

Thanks! I'm definitely going to give this idea some thought - since I'm going with Moulder, the 40x40 bases might give me enough room to place a large rat on each one as well - all very ratty and in keeping with the idea of a scrambling horde!
I don't torture - I prod with enthusiasm!

Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sir Plague-a-lot
Member Avatar
Clanrat
Scince you liked the idea I´d thought I show you how it can look.

This is how I used the mentioned method with my Longbeards they´re a bit brouder and thicker than
skaven (at least if you disregard the tail ;)) so I think you´d get more space with the rats.

on their own
Posted Image

As you see you can put a hero in the first rank and you can take away the banner guy if it gets taken.
But if you somtimes play with two caracters in a unit then you should have all front rank guys on their own.

together
Posted Image

For casualties to work you have to have at least three guys on their own in the last rank.
my paint blogg
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
thecoldwarrior
Warlord
Oh i new the second I read it that it would work! Now you can stop showing off!!!
Just kidding looks great!!
three rats walk into a bar........oh you've heard this one
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Clayflesh the Re-Former
Member Avatar
Most Favoured of Lucy One-Eye


Ahh! Very nice - I like the large stone at the center of the unit!

On second thought, maybe three units of four is the best way to go now that I'm looking at it. Thanks for the pix - it's much easier to visualize how I'll be arranging the Clannies on each 40x40 base, and how much room I'll have to decorate with a couple of extra rats. This project is still in the future (still working on weapons teams & Night Runners, Tunnelers too) but it's good to compare notes ahead of time. Thanks!
I don't torture - I prod with enthusiasm!

Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Rusty Tincanne
Member Avatar
...you can still call me Rusty Tincanne if you want, though.

Sir Plague-a-lot,

How did you go about painting those models? Did you glue them all tot he base and tehn prime and paint them, or did you fix them to 20x20's temporaily? If the latter, then what did you do about attaching tehm to the 40x40's (in regards to gluing down sand and priming them)?

That's a wonderful idea and I'd love to use it with my plague monks (and pusbags and rotten rodents eventually, too). I'm not so far in that I cannot put a few 40x40 bases together. I like the idea of having the space to put in something like that stone you did. It really makes the unit stand out.

Thanks.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sir Plague-a-lot
Member Avatar
Clanrat
Rusty:

Yeah I did that, I put them on 20mm bases first and painted them. After painting I cut of the metall sticking down.
I then put them temporarily to the base using something I don´t now what you call in english, it´s basicly a sort
of sticky dough.
Next I paint watered down PVA glue around their feets, then take away the minatures and sprinkle on whatever
sand you use and then paint... Lastly I glued the dwarfs on.

I have just started painting my skaven army and i used it on my plague monks you can see it in my army diary.

Another good thing if you put down some sort of stone or other conversion is that you cheat GW of buying a few minatures :P
my paint blogg
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Rusty Tincanne
Member Avatar
...you can still call me Rusty Tincanne if you want, though.

Clayflesh the Re-Former
Apr 14 2006, 03:03 PM
  On second thought, maybe three units of four is the best way to go now that I'm looking at it. 

@ Clayflesh:

Three 40x40's appears to work well with a unit of 20, but it seems that most folks prefer to field slaves, CR's, SV's and PM's in units of 30. After drawing it out it appears that if you rank your unit 5 wide, 6 deep (or even 6 wide and 5 deep) then you could easily use four 40x40 mm bases and 14 20x20's that would create a single layer of models aroung three sides of the unit.

If you went 4 wide and 7.5 deep then you could do as many as five large bases. That wouldn't allow for reformations too eaily, though, so probably four is still better.

Sir Plague-a-lot
Apr 15 2006, 09:24 AM
  Another good thing if you put down some sort of stone or other conversion is that you cheat GW of buying a few minatures tongue.gif

@ P-a-lot (hee, hee!):
I don't see how GW could begrudge you of 2 minis when you made your unit look that much better by doing that. They should be patting you on the back for inspiring folks. Myself being one of them. But I cannot think of any really good ideas to use with Plague Monks. I'm opening another thread to discuss it. I'd appreciate any ideas anyone has.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Clayflesh the Re-Former
Member Avatar
Most Favoured of Lucy One-Eye


I was going over how to pull this off with units of 30 and I agree - four units of four (16) with the remaining fourteen as individual models would also allow for units of 25 or 20 to be fielded with little trouble:

20: 2 40mm's, 12 individuals =20
25: 4 40mm's, 9 individuals=25
30: 4 40mm's, 14 individuals=30

Since I plan on having two units of 30 (Clanrats, one with spears and one without) I think the thing to do will be to get a third set of Clannies with the big box set.

Time to start working like Santa's elves for the cash . . . :blink:
I don't torture - I prod with enthusiasm!

Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
thecoldwarrior
Warlord
Well this idea seems to have helped a lot! I tried it out with a few loose rats and it does look to work out ok, but I think ill have to wait till i get anothe rbox of rats as i dont have enough loose ones without cuting them off the bases. thanx for the tip!!!
three rats walk into a bar........oh you've heard this one
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Painting and Hobby General Techniques · Next Topic »
Add Reply