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| Tweet Topic Started: 23rd December 2005 - 12:13 AM (764 Views) | |
| RadStar | 23rd December 2005 - 12:13 AM Post #1 |
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Heya, I got a game aganist Vampire Counts and I know the guy is bringing a Black Coach.. large target, terror.. And I just wanted to check that a skitterleaping a master assassin with fellblade into base to base contact with the black coach will take care of this nasty lil problem right away? S10.. means just one wound destroys it immediately eh? of course it means i need just one wound that gets through the ward save 5+ hmm the wraith has WS 3.. which means it'll need a 5 to hit Master Assassin.. i like my chances.. only problem is if i dont kill it.. the black coach will have outnumber and i obivously didnt get any wounds in.. so i lose combat agansit terror- so i auto flee.. but i'll roll 3d6.. but so will the black coach.. hmm any other suggestions to deal with the black coach? see my 2250 eshin army list in the army list thread! Cheers! Roger |
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| fibonacci | 23rd December 2005 - 03:07 AM Post #2 |
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I would not be too worried about it. Numbers: You have 4 attacks with a 37.03% chance to destroy the coach with EACH of them (4/6 to hit * 5/6 to wound * 4/6 chance to fail ward save). Only one of them has to get through. (this means you have a 16% chance of failure) He has 2 attacks with a 22% chance to wound you each. (77% chance of failure) Take smoke bombs, and he has only a 50% chance to chase you, plus you flee 3D6+1, so on average, you should get away even if he does pursue. With smoke bombs, he has a 6% chance to pursue you, without he has a 12% chance to pursue you. Then he has to catch you. |
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| Malignus Rodenticus | 23rd December 2005 - 04:20 AM Post #3 |
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I am against the whole concept of taking a magic item just to defeat an 200 point item. In doing that, you allow your opponent to control your army (figuratively speaking). If you are using an Eshin list, you control the table. You have an army that skirmishes and has the "under the color of darkness" rule. He will have a harder time against you than you will against him. MR |
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| Skaskrit Venomclaw | 23rd December 2005 - 09:56 AM Post #4 |
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True enough, but a master assassin with fellblade is standard procedure in an eshin list anyway. So he's just asking whether his normal MA can reliably deal with the thing. The answer being, quite obviously, yes. A master assassin with the fellblade can deal with nearly anything in the warhammer game, including a silly coach. |
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| Malignus Rodenticus | 23rd December 2005 - 02:07 PM Post #5 |
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So you are saying that it is wise to take a fellblade regardless of who your opponent is? MR |
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| Sammy the Squid | 23rd December 2005 - 02:19 PM Post #6 |
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The thought also occurs to me that maybe instead of the coach, skiterleap into contact with his General? A master assassin with fellblade should easily be a match for a Vampire Count (its doubtful he will take a lord in anything less than 3k...) That way, his entire army will begin to collapse including the coach!! Just a thought... Entaro Adun |
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| Skaskrit Venomclaw | 23rd December 2005 - 06:03 PM Post #7 |
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If you're playing Eshin? Then, yes. Taking the Fellblade is always a good idea. It is needed to be a truly reliable assassin, i.e. one actually capable of killing nasties. Just take a look at the army list section. Almost each and every one of them has a fellblade-armed assassin leading them. |
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"I have a post-Armageddon vision. We and all other large animals are gone. Rodents emerge as the ultimate post-human scavengers. They gnaw their way through New York, London and Tokyo... within 5 million years, a whole range of new species replace the ones we know. Herds of giant grazing rats are stalked by sabre-toothed predatory rats. Given enough time, will a species of intelligent, cultivated rats emerge?" Richard Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale | |
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| Grey seer White Paw | 23rd December 2005 - 08:54 PM Post #8 |
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i agree i only recently started an eshin list but straight away i knew id need a ma with the fell blade and talismen of protection... |
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| Malignus Rodenticus | 27th December 2005 - 11:57 PM Post #9 |
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Attorney to the Rats
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And the cheese factor? MR |
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| Nilax | 28th December 2005 - 07:33 AM Post #10 |
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Personally I don't believe it's fair to call a particular unit or character 'cheesy' or unbalanced. This is characteristic of an army as a whole...something so overbalanced in one way that battles fought by or against it aren't really any fun after a game or two. Now if a fellblade makes the master assassin deadlier and it's worth the points and risk, then that's all there is to it. You needn't restrict yourself for some nebulous reason like 'cheese'. I know my friend who plays Dark Elves uses a highborne lord on a black dragon and reaper bolt throwers and his army is remarkably effective, a real challenge to play against and also a fun fight. Now whenever he presents his army list to communities of DE players he usually gets harped on to ditch the dragon and take more blocks of core choices, not for a strategic or fluff reason but because some players want to see nothing more than big blocks of core infantry. This whole 'anti-cheese' thing can really become an obsession with people to the point of keeping army lists less varied rather than more.That's not an attack on your comment Malignus, just my feelings about 'cheese' in general ![]() Anyway, I recommend 'leaping him in with the chariot and making that thing explode into a thousand pieces of shattered wood on turn 1. Then you're free to do anything with the assassin after that, it's not like the Fellblade is spent
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| Malignus Rodenticus | 28th December 2005 - 07:02 PM Post #11 |
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Attorney to the Rats
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I am playing in a RTT in two weeks and I am thinking of using my Eshin list. Normally I take a Master Assassin with warpstone amulet (4+ ward save) and the sword that gives you +2 Str. I fear not having a save fo such an expesnive character, especially if someone else gets to attack first (i.e. sword of striking or doomseekers). My concern about cheese is the sportsmanship factor. I constantly facing "tooled" armies and have never used one (though I have been tempted). I just don't want to get total but and get knocked for composition or sportsmanship for a "tooled" army. MR |
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| ironchicken | 29th December 2005 - 12:46 PM Post #12 |
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Newbie question but where does it say you can skitterleap into contact? There are several threads here (including this one) that seem to say you can but the spell says you cannot. Is there an errata I have not found? |
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| Malignus Rodenticus | 29th December 2005 - 02:38 PM Post #13 |
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Attorney to the Rats
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In the Storm of Chaos Book under the Eshin list special rules. It only applies to this eshin list. a grey seer does not get the improved skitterleap. MR |
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| ironchicken | 29th December 2005 - 03:52 PM Post #14 |
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TY... dont own Storm of Chaos... guess i should then ![]() |
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| Saint Anger | 29th December 2005 - 04:41 PM Post #15 |
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you can find the lists online somewhere on the gw website, i'll mutate the post if i can find them http://stormofchaos.uk.games-workshop.com/...ies/default.htm there you go, you'll need acrobat though |
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to the point of keeping army lists less varied rather than more.

