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How do i beat orks!!
Topic Started: 8th December 2005 - 10:55 AM (325 Views)
Rat Sabbath
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Hi i really need help with this one, i cannot beat orks my friend uses black orks, night goblins, shamans and loads of fannatics.i have your average skyre army with jezzys,globesand two wlc's

I JUST CANT WIN!
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Bassik Dwarveripper
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The average skryre army is quite helpless against the average Orc army.
You should try to get rid of some of your machines in the favor of more clanrats, plaguemonks and censer bearers. Especially clan Pestilens members are a great choice against Orcs, and so are ratogres.
With the extra clanrats take on goblins(do not let them outnumber you ^_^ )
with the plaguemonks and censerbearers you can take on the hard stuff(after the hard stuff is being softened up by clan Skryre, affcorse)
And with the ratogres you can take on any cavalry unit.(trust me, they can)
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Your weapons are those aimed at taking out small numbers of heavily armoured folks. It's simply not designed to take on armies that can go hordy.

Drop the globes and the wlcs, take on a ratling, plaguemonks, and don't forget getting lots of clanrats and slaves.
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Skaskrit Venomclaw
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Against Orcs, warpfire throwers are superiour to ratling guns. Soo many juicy infantry units with low leadership to panic... a ratling still is useful against bigger beasties, chariots, etc.

I wouldn't trust to Ratogres defeating cavalry, Bassik, not unless you get to charge. If the ratogres are hit by a half-decent cavalry charge they'll die messily.
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Bassik Dwarveripper
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I wouldn't trust to Ratogres defeating cavalry, Bassik, not unless you get to charge. If the ratogres are hit by a half-decent cavalry charge they'll die messily.

Blood Vixen and I see it completeley different...

You see,cavalry is usually in two ranks of 4 or one rank of 5.
This means that you get 5-6 attacks on the ratogres, usually needing 3's.
lets say 5 out of 6 attacks went trough, then they have to roll 3's again. One dead ratogre maybe. 3 surviving ogres get to hit back, killing maybe 3-4 cavalry guys.
You outnumber, cause fear, overrun ^_^
I had this working many times in reality, even against me when I played High Elves vs Skaven. Ratogres are our best cavalry takers when the censer bearers are goofing off somewhere else.
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There are verily four ways to about winning in your case:

1. As has been said, water down your army with other clans warriors and creations.
2. Go full on SAD. Not recommended, ever.
3. Tailor your list slightly more to horde. i.e more Warpfire and Ratlings as opposed to Jezzails, if you wanna keep the globes use them against Giants. If he has none of them... Don't keep them.
4. Slip him a spiked drink before the battle. Recommended even less than SAD.
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Skaskrit Venomclaw
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Well, it highly depends on the cavalry you're facing, Bassik. Against strength 5 2+ save knights, like Silverhelms, you stand a good chance. Against the strength 6 1+ save inner circle empire knights I face most of the time, it won't work.

(by the by, I think deploying cavalry in 2 ranks of 4 is a tremendous waste of points. You pay 25 points per knight because they're damn good fighters, not to provide +1 rankbonus. That's what 40 point goblin units are for. I prefer cavalry in one rank of 6)

Against Orc Boarboys, the Ogres can do well, but will probably be beaten by a unit of 6 with command. The Boarboy unit also is cheaper than 4 ratogres... Of course, if you hold you'll massacre them in round two. But if the boarboys have a hero leading them, a magical banner, (of butchery) are upgraded to big'uns or are savage Orcs, you'll lose.

I still think bait and flee is far superiour a tactic against cavalry.
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would ratling guns be the most use. that and swarming them.




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Bassik Dwarveripper
Dec 9 2005, 12:57 AM
You see,cavalry is usually in two ranks of 4 or one rank of 5.

As Skaskrit said, they are not the ideal cavalry configurations.

Running them 6-wide tends to maximise their attacks whilst minimising width to avoid sacrificing maneourvability.

Against rat ogres I'd just send a lone mounted hero: he kills one rat ogre, or puts a couple of wounds on, takes bugger all in return, wins combat by at least one and sees off the rat ogres.

My view is that ROs are at their best in the flanks of regular infantry. They dont have a lot of other proactive uses...

As far as skaven beating orcs goes, the best bet is always more troops: orcs and goblins lose when flank charged by fully ranked units, just like everything else. Plus you are faster than them. Your shooting is only required to be at the level to see off their fast stuff (cav, chariots) which might otherwise prevent you setting up those crucial flank charges. With enough big units you'll be able to laugh at the niggling few casualties you suffer from fanatics as you charge through them onto the flank of a juicy target unit.
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Take 5 night runners and let them hug cover, as they move at full (march) speed to the night goblin units. When they're released, the only thing you need to do is pot-shooting.

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