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troles doing my biding; would u have them
Topic Started: 7th December 2005 - 09:49 PM (441 Views)
yim the phage
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Do u guys use troles in ur hell pit army. i think it would be awsom cos iv nener played with one before. seems a shooting magnit but how fun would it be to see a master moulder goat a troll into the fray. would u use them in a 500pt army? thats about all i have converted ready to play so far.
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No, I wouldn't. There are cooler things to use (ie Chimaerat, Burrowing Beast). Maybe in a big army, but probably not.

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Mork... It's a 500 points (Border Patrol?) army. How in Saint Pete's name are you able to put a 200+ points monstrosity in such armies and actually manage to pull off a win as well? Not to mention, your opponent still liking you afterwards.

@yim: If you want to explore the possibilities of a troll pack in your army, I'd say: go for it. You mention you already have the models, so why not try them out and see where they get you?

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Actually, I don't think you can. If I remember correctly, the GW Warband rules say you can't use any model over 100 pts. Characters have to stay at 150 pts or less. Plus, That kind of tones down the Skaven being a horde army.
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That's if you choose Warband rules, which I personally wouldn't.
Either way, the only viable Moulder Rares at 500 points are Troll Packs (Why no Chaos/River/Stone upgrades? :angry: ) and the far superior (IMO) Aberrations.
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Why so obsessed with using rares ?

I find trolls really bad. If you want to use the models, just pay for rat ogres with regen. A little more points each model, no vomit, but no stupidity, so that half your warband points (the trolls), can at least move each turn instead of wandering, meaning auto-loose.

In such low point games, 2 packs of rat ogres with brains and/or legs would be very destructive and maneuvreable. I'd go with them any day.

A 3 pack gt rats, 4 pack throtlings, 2 brain and legs rat ogres, a 20 strong slave unit, leaded by a gw wielding master moulder would be quite something to tackle in warbands games.
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Mork... It's a 500 points (Border Patrol?) army. How in Saint Pete's name are you able to put a 200+ points monstrosity in such armies and actually manage to pull off a win as well? Not to mention, your opponent still liking you afterwards.

Sorry.. didn't see the 500 point thing... *rubs eyes* Wow, it is there...

Anyway, my answer is still no. For the fluff reasons, and becasue of what Ant said. Rat Ogres are a more viable and usable option.

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In 500 pt warband games, no, I wouldn't use them. Regenerating RO are a better choice, plus they're only a Special choice. In my Moulder warband, I use 1 RO w/ brain & regeneration @ 250 pts. I plan to add a second one as I close in on the 500 pt limit (playing a campaign where you get more points the more games you play). I'm also gonna add an Aberration at some point. Otherwise, my warband looks a lot like Antherak's suggestion.

Now in bigger games, I might use them. My son has 3 trolls for his O&G army and I'll probably try them at some point.

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yim the phage
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i got finished converting it out of a chaos trol. iv game some games comeing up this weekend and ill use one trole as a flanker. ill post my list later in the right spot.
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oh well if all you had was that model you did not have too much choice really. ever thought of sticking a rat ogre head on a troll body i bet a moulder did.





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hehe burrows said my idea, i agree with him and ant.
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12 giant rats + troll flank makes elvin archers run like hell. then he drolled and got basted by magic. lost but it was fun. next he killed 2 silver helms. lost that one two. back to the drawling bord me thinks.
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Shiva used to play O+G and used trolls in his army. They suck. I would say that even ROs are better (when a GW mistake (as far as the stats bas :unsure: ) is better than something you know it's bad). I would also use them as ROs, although the combination with GRs is still a good idea.
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*struggles to ignore kill-kill's comment*
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Listen up, boy, the ratogre stats are great, especially if you take into acount that they are used in a horde army. They have a lot of bodies to hide behind so they won't get shot to bits and can actually withstand the charge of mediocre cavalry and come out on top(and don't get me started on what would happen if THEY charge cavalry, I have seen these guys eating grailknights)
Further more, they cause fear, something highly underestimated in my ALLMIGHTY opinion, and did you ever got these in the front and censer bearers in the flank?
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Given that Bas is the only player I know of in all the WHFB forums I trawl through, in the world, who apparently successfully uses rat ogres and claims that they are good, I have to wonder: is Bas an extraordinarily capable rat ogre packmaster, or have his opponents failed to capitalise on the huge flaws inherent in the design of rat ogres?

I mean, sure, many of us use rat ogres and like using them, but none of us claim that they are any good. As an experienced Skavenlair general once said:

"You may win with rat ogres in your army, but that is winning in spite of their inclusion, not because of their inclusion."


It is not so much a case of rat ogres being rubbish (even though they are very probably the worst buy out of all the ogre-class models, primarily due to their lack of weapon and armour upgrades, and suffering from the worst Ld of the bunch, one has to concede that the rest of their stat line is respectable), but more a case that there is so much better stuff that their hefty points cost could purchase. And I'm not talking about cost vs the stars of the skaven list - anything is generally a better points expenditure than rat ogres in terms of effect.

It is the cost-vs-what-else-could-be-puchased argument which is the hardest to counter.
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