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Plague censer bearers questions; their special gas attack
Topic Started: 13th October 2005 - 12:27 AM (1,397 Views)
DrackoSkaven
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I was looking at the PCB rules and they seem somewhat unclear. i mean with bad rolls you could loose the entire squad the their own GAS (all 6s.. not likely but posible)

also for the gas in HtH: do you roll 1 dice if it is contact with PCBs or for EACH PCB? a unit of 6 PCBs would then have to roll 3d6 EACH if that was the case.

in my opinion on how i read the rules they seem too suicidal to use, please tell me i'm wrong. i'm all for skaven suicide but the few times i used em i lost 1-3 PCBs in HtH per turn to the gas, i don't think a single turn with them in HtH has not killed one of my guys by gas!

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Someone may correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe each PCB rolls the test once, regardless of how many fellow PCBs are touching him.

Also the odds of a PCB rolling a 6 are the lowest odds you can get from a D6, so a unit of 5 all rolling sixes... the odds aren't high at all. You are bound to lose a few, the odds aren't that bad.
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meus
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You roll -1- test for all models in contact with the PCB's. So if you have a Plague Priest with a Censer and he is on a corner in the unit you will need to test for him and 3 other Monks in that unit. (The one on his side and the two behind them).

I love PCB's they are fantastic. I get 5-7 of them depending on who i am playing and charge them at heavy save stuff.
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GAR
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Oct 13 2005, 01:47 PM
Plague Censer Bearers are some of my favourite Skaven troops. They are the most hardhitting Skaven unit around, and if you get them in an enemy flank they truly wreak havoc. True, they do kill themselves sometimes, but that is something you have to take into account when you play Skaven. It's in their nature to kill themselves.

@GAR: Impact Hits? I think you mean something else here, but I can't figure out what. All I know is that PCB do NOT get Impact Hits.

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Sorry bout that, but the gas is done at the same time as impact hits, and thus goes before any blows are struck and counts toward combat resolution.

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Killing your own guys doesn't give CR to your enemy right? I think I saw the answer to this awhile ago but I forgot.

Anyway, Drackoskaven, I'm guessing your original problem with them is that they are quite expensive for skaven troops and have a chance of killing themselves before they get there quite capable attacks in. The key is to maximize what you get for your risk, sure the possibility of losing them is risky against making a basic infantry who cost 1/3 their cost take a test, especially when you'll need decent roles (though they can do an impressive amount of first turn damage) to win combat, however the chance to kill a 20+ point heavily armored knight on 4+ is almost always worth it. It is great that they strike first to as many other elite relie on being the first to hit. The primary problem is setting up the situations that you want, as they run frothing toward the first enemy in range. But hey there crazed rats carrying fuming magical death what do you expect.
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GAR
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Hmm, I would like to see the source cited for killing your own not counting in CR. That would be awesome!!

I have never come across that I thought any casualties were counted.

Anyhoo, as you said, these guys rock for putting the hurt on expensive units. Banshee anyone?? How boat a chaos knight or chosen. These guys cut right through them like a warpknife through ratbutter.
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I'm pretty sure your enemy does NOT get to add CR when your Cencor Bearers kill themselves. I dont have a BRB handy, but I seem to remember it having wording that says you gain CR for wounds caused in hand to hand combat. I could be wrong, but I don't think the wording even bothers to specify wounds caused to enemies. A master rules lawyer with no shame could even argue that they should add CR for their own suicides since they caused these wonds in hand to hand combat, but obviously this is not intended.
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It says in the Skaven rulebook that gas attacks count towards combat resolution... just looked it up...

So, ANY casualties on either side adds CR.
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Nov 11 2005, 05:10 PM
It says in the Skaven rulebook that gas attacks count towards combat resolution... just looked it up...

So, ANY casualties on either side adds CR.

I'm sorry, but I do not think the quote you posted supports your conclusion. Yes, the Skaven book says, "wounds caused by the gas count for CR." However, if you look in the BRB, (Sorry, I don’t have one handy for exact wording,) it says 'wounds caused by a unit count towards a unit's combat resolution,' or something along these lines. So the censor bearer 'caused' a wound to himself, right? No enemy unit or weapon caused this wound, the censor bearer did. The only way you can gain combat resolution through damage as the BRB describes it is to cause a wound. I think it is a stretch to assume that a spearman caused the gas hit to the censor bearer since the wound came out of the censor bearer's unique weapon and its special rules.

In neither spot does it say or even imply that wounds caused to an enemy unit by itself add to your own combat resolution.
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if they did count to cr then skavenbrew just became alot less desireable
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Morskittar is dead on, PCB gas casualties will count against you. :censor:
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yes correst, you need to think of it as the enemy fighting the PCB's just saw 2 die so think yey were going to win adn fight harder, causing the PCB's to panic of into the distance ^_^

apoligies if this was already cleared up beforehand

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As far as i can recall Morskittar is correct..in the skaven AB it says it does count for CR as for the BRB you may be thinking about deaths inflicted on own units causing panic checks (which they do not ....but i roll panic chacks any way)
there have been quite a FEW combats where the tide of battle has swung in my opponents favor simply because of a few bad rolls...such is life in a pestilent army :D
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