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2 race armies; just an idea
Topic Started: 21st September 2005 - 08:14 AM (660 Views)
thecoldwarrior
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cool ill have to check it out , I have that book ,but never read it cuz I did not know what it all ment .
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Frankensqueek
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Sep 22 2005, 06:54 AM
that's what we did

But to be honest, whats the point in making two smaller dwarf armies using the same force organisation chart? You may as well just have one big dwarf army, just with two generals. Or two 1000 point armies or whatever.

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who cares? we had a fun game and beat the dreaded HE/WE alliance! :D
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Skaskrit Venomclaw
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I think you're talking about a different thing... you had two players using one army, Dwarfs.

Coldwarrior meant having one player use two armies, e.g. Skaven and Orcs.
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thecoldwarrior
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Yes that's what I mean.

So I have a army box of ogre kingdoms on the way, and when I have had a chace to read the army book for em then i will post a army list for it. I really don't know anything about them right now so I can't say for sure. Just from looking at them though I think it will be cool to have some leadbelchers heling out me rats and posibly some gnoblar trappers too.

I have been thinking about how to limit or structure what can and can not be in a dual army. As for right now I am going to just say go by the overall army structur chart (ie 2000 point = so many of each and so on).

The problem I am having is this...If someone wanted to do Skaven /Undead then they could choose to take a rat swarm and a bat swarm, although the army books are written so that you could only take one swarm. The thing is you could try to think of it this way, You can only take 0-1 swarms in both army lists so only one would be allowed. I don't really want to limit things with a large ruleset. I like things to be structured , but flexible enough that you can create almost anything. If you start making a list that states exact do and dont's then it will loose a lot of flexibility. Put it this way , gw have tried to ballence the different areas core , special, rare and so on in each army book. So combining them might be ok and not have significant power swayed to one side or the other cuz after all 25 rats as a core unit are just the same as if you take a core unit of something else. I could be as wrong as the sun is bright , but thats why I want to here from you masters. If it's not going to work then oh well , I'm just really excited about trying this. Just seems like it would be really fun.

I was reading the section on allies in the general's compendium , and I think they are just saying if you want to have 4 players and it becomes 2 vs 2.

Well thats enough rambling for now , let me know your thoughts. thanx
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I'd look at it as one blended-together army rather than two fighting as one, so I wouldn't separate the armies individually, ie. the rule of 0-1 swarm will apply to the army as a whole. Then I suppose that you could still cast friendly-oriented spells over the allied army's troops (subject to their individual restrictions, like most ogre magic is ogre-exclusive).

The grey areas i can see though is possible specific rules that might conflict. Can't think of any express ones off the top of my head, but there's similar stuff like "Life is Cheap": your allied units will be likely to take it as treachery getting shot at by allies, fluffwise, though i don't think the skaven will care either way. :P I'd still maintain shooting into combat involving the ogre units, though, since it's technically friendly units. Or like sources of magic for power dice counting and other such stuf: can an ogre butcher lend gut magic power to a horned rat worshipper?

To make it distinct from a "two army fighting together only with one player" situation, i'd go with working it as one army, with rules for a race-specific feature (eg. he who runs away) applying only to that race, and general rules for armies encompassing both races as a whole army, except where it'll lead to rule contradictions. It'll be quite easy to resolve the problems as you come across them, since they'll only come up in very army specific situations, so there's no point trying to compile a massive ruleset.
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thecoldwarrior
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Yes, I did not actually say these things ,but i asumed that the armiy would not use eachothers magic, special rules, so on. I agree with you on that , I just mean for putting the army together go like this....2000 points army you can choose up to 4 characters so that means you can have what ever combo of the two armies you want 3 skaven and 1 ogre heros (one of the skaven is the lord or if you want the ogre). core units 3+ we know that with skaven you have to have so many units to take other stuff, so you take 3 units of clanies and 1 of gnoblars and 1 of bulls. Special is the same way you are limited by the totals and what the army book says but really you are just making one army just you can choose to mix and match from 2 books. See the swarms are individualy legal to each army and also to the 2000 point regulation. So I say if you want to have an army based on swarms as a kind of theme then go for it. You have to satisfy the army book and the point list.
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it would be cool

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