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2 race armies; just an idea
Topic Started: 21st September 2005 - 08:14 AM (661 Views)
thecoldwarrior
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Um I guess I had not really thought about this , but is thier a way to fairly play with mixed races on both sides? That seems as if it would be fun. Example could you say two races and all the normal rules for each still apply. So a 2000 point army could have, as per the list, so many lords heros, so many core , special ,and rare? I have my skaven army well under way (well except for the 5000 clanies) and I have decided to wait on vampire counts (two horde armies not good on pockets), but I have the ogre kingdoms army box on the way. I think that would be cool as hell to put skaven units with some ogres backing them up.

You might say that it has to be 60 40 or something also, but I don't know. Just wondering if this would be too unbalanced to even play. I don't mean for powergamming just for fun. I don't know enough about this game yet to start n'th degreeing it.
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It's basically like any multi-army team game, except just with merged armies. Sort of between just doing two armies and doing DOWs.

Pair them based on what would be likely in fluff. I reckon Skaven are probably best suited allying with beastmen or mortal chaos. I could sorta see an ogre army fighting alongside skaven though, perhaps a gnoblar-heavy one.

The downside is that it does sound like it could be a way to field one army with the other taken to compensate for the first army's weaknesses, or a 'best of both worlds" thing, which makes it kinda powergaming-ish. If you can get an 'alliance' scenario up with two armies of mixed races, sounds ok. Just don't forget fluff when putting the armies together (like, high elves with orcs are a no-no :D) You could also put it like the chaos armies: have a dominant army based on who's the general, then the secondary army unit categories move a notch up, core to special, special to rare.
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It would be fun, even as it can lead to powergaming. To keep things fair, you could always have both you and your opponent choosing from two different lists.

An alternative approach is to device a scenario based on some historical battle or something involving two races. There's an old White Dwarf battle report that did this... it reenacted the fall of Karak Eight Peaks, by having Dwarfs defend in a flank attack scenario against a force of Night Goblins and a flanking force of Skaven emerging from the tunnels.
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@thecoldwarrior: 5000 clanrats? :o Idea sounds very nice though...

@Skaskrit: which WD was that?

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Based on the Emerald Sword Saga (a great Itallian rock-opera, sung by Rhapsody, over 5 albums :P ) Tirsa is mixing Vampire Counts and Chaos(but not beasts), while I mix elves, Bretonnia, dwarves and trolls(yes, trolls, the story has its original points). I am not allowed to take dwarven artillery, xept for cannons and stone throwers. I can take thunderers. Because it gives me more options, she is allowed to take Deamonic Legion troops(she would've done it anyway).
We will only be playing against eachother, but it promises to be a lot of fun ;)

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Skaskrit Venomclaw
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Pff... dunno. When they first published the 6th ed. Dwarf Army book. The Skaven used the Ravening Hordes list.
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OMG I just had a battle like that!! Well my friend just left, and as a farewell I allowed him to take 4k of Beastmen AND Ogres vs my Dark Elves. Worked brilliantly as you get the advantages of each army... I would definately suggest trying it BUT not too often... Can be fun from time to time though...

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thecoldwarrior
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Glad you all seem to like this cuz I want to try it out , just it might be some time befor I can.

@Skaven Lord Vinshqueek...just being a nut, can you blame me I just finished my first unit of clanies!!!

@Skaskrit Venomclaw...yes I ment both players have the option for that game, as far as powergamming I just mean me and my bud will keep it real and not take advantage when it comes to loopholes.

I dont think it would be very fun to write down a whole bunch of lists to dictate who could and not join and how much. Just a few solid overall rules should work fine. You know the gobos and dark elves may despise eachother ,but that does not mean that never in all of time a situation will occur that they are not willing to put aside thier scwabel if a mutualy decicive enemy were determined to wipe them out exclusively. At the same time I do understand the themes behind the races are important. Their are just too many ways to easily explain away any sort of history. Remember it's a fantasy game ie. worst case scenario ...one race has put a spell on the other and they are fighting without a choice!

The structure of how to assemble dule forces is the key. Take for example swarms. They are limited because they are powerfull. Not all races have swarms (as far as I can tell) ,and that is one thing that might become a problem. Say I want to use a skaven /tomb kings army. That means I could have rat swarms and beettle swarms. Do you think that would be a problem???

Thanx for the great imput.
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I remember this, I actually got lucked out and was aloud to use 1000 pts of Undead as my... what was it? Contingent force? *Grins* 1000 of undead, all you need is a necromancer and you watch 'em grow. *snickers*

But yeah, I never did get to play the game. *grumble* But I've always wanted to. The rules they had sounded pretty fair but I'll have to dig up the WD that it was in.
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sounds like a good idea

it's just like a team match except on your own

eg i am teaming up my HE with a friends WE
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I'm sure it would work fine if both 'parts' of the army were of equal size points-wise.

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sometimes i tem up my Dwarves with another guy's dwarves (a deadly combo indeed!)

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sometimes i tem up my Dwarves with another guy's dwarves (a deadly combo indeed!)


What you probably mean is you had a doubles battle.

What cold warrior meant is to have two armies allied together using one force organisation chart (even if that is the 40k terminology)

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In a 2000 point game, an allied team could between them have a maximum of one lord, 3 heroes (4 if they have no lord), 3+ core, 4 special and 2 rare.

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that's what we did
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There are rules for allied mixed-race armies in the General's Compendium
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