Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Add Reply
7th ed box starter set; meand me mate are thinking very loudly
Topic Started: 13th August 2005 - 09:14 PM (799 Views)
Grey seer White Paw
Member Avatar
Warlord of 7th Tactics!
What do u think will be in the new 7th ed starter set? personly im thinking either gobbos and dwarfs or moulder and dwarfs (i gather this as i heard about the new spider riders and gobbos, and the next realms is ment to be 8 peaks, and the dwarfs are rumoured to be the first update for 7th ed)

so what do u think?

o also i have been told by a gw develepor's brother (or so he says) that the overrun will now be dealt with like warmaster where u deal with that combat in the turn it happens not next!

what do u think of these rules and ideas?
GW, sucking the fun out of the hobby since 1999.

Never worry. Worst case scenario you die, and then there was no point worrying anyways.

Skaven repaint overhaul Number 5! (2/5th complete)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
s'nkeep
Member Avatar
Ajax = warpstone juice

I think dwarfs are being redone because with rumors of 7th edition having its magic system updated they are the least effected... if they are included in the box set id be suprized as for 40k's they choose their bread winners... judging by blackgobbo's stats for storm of chaos i dont see dwarfs as their bread winners...


then again bugs didnt do so hot in the eye of terror so my idea is faulted... but still see to the point i think...
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
RobotRaf


I dont know. Orcs vs Empire is so standard im sure they wont go that route again. Im really exited about the night goblin spider rider models, i know theyre in the Denizens of the Deep list, but i was expecting another "Realms" book like Lustria for Karak Eight Peaks to include them, since it would mean theyd have to have a new O&G book otherwise. So i really dont think the rumoured Dwarfs and Gobbos box would be the new starter set. At the same time i cant think of another "good" army more suited to a starter set besides Empire than Dwarfs. For the "Evil" army maybe VC (ive been hearing rumours that theyre gettting an update with plastic dire wolves and ghouls) or maybe Chaos, since its very popular. Ill just go out on a limb and say a new starter set would be Dwarfs vs Vampire Counts.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Tilara
Grey Seer
I don't know how warmaster does overrunning... what do you mean?

Are you certain they will do a two race box set for 7th? I was under the impression they moved away from that format, instead selling just a book alone or a book with a starter kit.

The box sets I remember buying are Elf+Goblin and Lizard+Bret. Maybe dwarf+orc isn't such a bad guess.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Bassik Dwarveripper
Unregistered

I hope it'll be something like the Battle for Macrage, my wife and I had some serious fun with it ^_^ we actually keep it with our boardgame collection ;)
Quote Post Goto Top
 
Baraduribagugar
Member Avatar
Custom member
Aaa. I haven't think about that. Something what looks good in GW's eye is probably dwarf and night goblin army clashing together.
tehtentacle
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Argan
*Rat of Brass Squeek*
it wont be VC, they arent any good for a started set. The rules for undead make the game a lot more complicated for new people who already have to understand how break test and phycology work. I dont think it will be Undead

Dwarves and Night Goblins are a lot more easier to deal with. Theyre also fun armies to play with and classic enemies.

I just hope they put those plastic ruling sticks in the box set again. :D
Chuck Norris is ten feet tall, weighs two-tons, breathes fire, and could eat a hammer and take a shotgun blast standing.

It takes Chuck Norris 20 minutes to watch 60 Minutes.

On his birthday, Chuck Norris randomly selects one lucky child to be thrown into the sun.

Chuck Norris doesn't believe in Germany.

Scientists have estimated that the energy given off during the Big Bang is roughly equal to 1CNRhK (Chuck Norris Roundhouse Kick)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
Member Avatar
Bunny ear says flop

The previous starters sets:
1st to 3rd ed.: unknown, but propably non-existing since these times were more RPG
4th ed. starters set: high elves vs. (night) goblins
5th ed. starters set: lizardmen vs. bretonnia
6th ed. starters set: empire vs. orcs

If you look at the Battle of Macragge for 40k and the current boxed sets for LotR, one can presume that GW heads out to gather those young ones for the hobby. It will most propably be a very easy to build set you have, with armies that does not make use of very difficult rules, etc.

Looking at the above and with the current route GW has taken with starter sets, you can presume that it will very likely be a good versus evil set. The full list of races is the following:
- Bretonnia
- Chaos Beastmen
- Chaos Daemons
- Chaos Dwarfs
- Chaos Mortals
- Dark Elves
- Dogs of War
- Dwarfs
- Empire
- High Elves
- Kislev
- Lizardmen
- Orcs and Goblins
- Ogre Kingdoms
- Skaven
- Tomb Kings
- Vampire Counts
- Wood Elves

Take away those who have already been in a starters set, armies who are part of a campaign *cough* Kislev *cough* and those who have recently been released. That would take the list down to the following:
- Chaos Beastmen
- Chaos Daemons <-- not likely, due to quite some difficult rules for starters
- Chaos Dwarfs <-- not likely, since their presence in 6th ed. WHF was about zero
- Chaos Mortals
- Dark Elves
- Dogs of War <-- not likely, since they are not a 'real' race
- Dwarfs <-- truely not going to happen, due to their revision for 7th ed.
- Skaven
- Tomb Kings <-- not likely, since these rules are VERY difficult when starting
- Vampire Counts

This would bring our list down to:
- Chaos Beastmen
- Chaos Mortals
- Dark Elves
- Skaven
- Vampire Counts

My assumption would be Chaos Mortals versus Dark Elves, which could be easily be incorporated into a fluffy storyline (think Battle of Macragge here) since they are very closely related to one another. Both have easy to handle rules and are played quite a lot.

Greetz
In the Horned One we trust, all others we monitor.

Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image

Skaven track record [W/D/L] @ 17th of August, 2014: BB 34/19/55; MH 9/2/6; WHF 17/8/30
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Baraduribagugar
Member Avatar
Custom member
Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
Aug 14 2005, 04:32 PM
The previous starters sets:
1st to 3rd ed.: unknown, but propably non-existing since these times were more RPG



Yeh, propably because the first edition became out in a white box with three volumed rulebooks in it.

I think it was somethin like:

Warhammer
The mass combat fantasy role-playing-game

I found it is sale on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/1982-WARHAMMER-GAMES-W...bayphotohosting
tehtentacle
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Warlord Kriack
Sexiest Damn Rat You'll Ever See
*prays that they change the cursed overrun rule*

I also hope they bring down the chaos stats just a tad, they're worse than the elves.
Very good, You found the almighty........

SIG OF DARKNESS

AHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Skaskrit Venomclaw
Member Avatar
Ex-Councilrat

Personally, I think the 6th edition box was very good as a starter set. It gave you two fairly easy to use armies of 500 points or so, complete with combat units, missile units, a general and a warmachine. You could play quite good games with the starter set alone.

Compare 5th edition. Lizardmen versus bretonnians? What the hell were they thinking. The forces were completely unbalanced (when my brother and I first got the game, the lizardmen never won a fight, because the brets were twice as many points. It took a while until we got the hang of point values.) The armies didn't appeal to that many people. You couldn't make anything like a legal force with the box, because you only got some basic troops. No command groups, no heroes, no interesting units.

I never played 4th edition, but with the cards representing more advanced units you probably could at least play better games with the contents of the box.

Now, for seventh edition it's quite possible they'll do something like battle of Macragge. In that case, most any army could be in there, depending on the scenario they choose. But it's reasonable to guess the armies will be:

- Good versus evil. Almost every trashy fantasy novel, movie and comic is about good versus evil at some level or another. There are plenty people that won't want a box with two "good" or two "evil" forces.

- Popular armies that will appeal to newcomers. This does not mean they have to be armies that never were done in a starter set before. Has there ever been a 40K starter set without space marines in it?

For the "good" armies, likely candidates would be Empire or High Elves, I think. They're the most stereotypical, and stereotypes sell. Brets and dwarfs fit that criterium too, but have highly specialised styles of play that may not suit the starter box. Still, depending on the scenario, they're possibilities.

The obvious "Evil" army would be Chaos. Very popular too. Skaven are another possibility. They're not that common in other fantasy worlds, yet they're quite recognisable and can appeal to people who've never heard of them. Orcs are possible, but they're a bit hard to build a scenario around. Undead would make good antagonists, but are a bit hard to use. My money would be on Chaos.

Side note:

kriack
 
*prays that they change the cursed overrun rule*


Why? It has always worked fine as far as I can tell. It stops some beardy tricks involving sacrificing small units to stop chaos knights in their tracks, yet it does not make powerful combat units really overpowered if you only think ahead and don't put your troops behind units about to be annihilated.
"I have a post-Armageddon vision. We and all other large animals are gone. Rodents emerge as the ultimate post-human scavengers. They gnaw their way through New York, London and Tokyo... within 5 million years, a whole range of new species replace the ones we know. Herds of giant grazing rats are stalked by sabre-toothed predatory rats. Given enough time, will a species of intelligent, cultivated rats emerge?"

Richard Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
General Vorg
Member Avatar
Keeper of the Squeeks and the Temple

rumours in Toronto:

Dwarfs VS Moulder

or

Dwarfs VS Gobbos

Or

????? VS VC

so we dont really have a clue...

squeeks
Posted Image
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
Member Avatar
Bunny ear says flop

The last one would be Tomb Kings vs. Vampire Counts, I've heared that rumour as well.

Though it wouldn't seem to me like the starters set, but more for the rumoured third Warhammer Realms booklet, where we'd have the whole Nagash thingy going on. Same would be for the Dwarfs (not going to happen, due to their magic revising stuff they get) versus Gobbos is the same thing, also a campaign booklet.

Greetz
In the Horned One we trust, all others we monitor.

Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image

Skaven track record [W/D/L] @ 17th of August, 2014: BB 34/19/55; MH 9/2/6; WHF 17/8/30
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Baraduribagugar
Member Avatar
Custom member
Nagash thingy? Three deaths of Nagash or what was it? I remember that skaven were part of his second death...

I can imagine: Warhammer realms:Land of the dead
tehtentacle
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Thraskittar
Member Avatar
Shatterskar
Quote:
 
I remember that skaven were part of his second death...


We gave the fellblade to a TK prince who then proceeded to kill nagash.
W/L/D - Army
13/10/5 - Skaven
0/0/0 - Tzeentch DL
Posted Image
Bodacious
 
duh
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · General Wargaming Discussion · Next Topic »
Add Reply