| Stormvermin, how to use them? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 7th August 2005 - 08:10 AM (1,045 Views) | |
| D99 | 7th August 2005 - 08:10 AM Post #1 |
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Stormvermin
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Hello, I am currently planning on running a Stormvermin unit in most of my 2000 point battles (Normal size for where I play) and need some help. I love the models, the fluff and everything about them, but I just can't seem to find the right way to use them. I run them in a unit of 25, with full command in a 5 by 5 formation. At first I would use them in an attempt to try and kill off his elite units, but soon realized that this was futile, so I have been attempting to use them to kick butt against his normal, rank and files. My only problem now is the halberd. I love, love, love the extra strength, but I cannot for my life use it that much because of giving up the 3+ armor save. When I do it seems I end up killing just as much and not taking even close to as many casualties. So does anyone have any hints on using my stormvermin as halberd weilding skaven of doom? Thanks. |
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| Tilara | 7th August 2005 - 08:27 AM Post #2 |
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Grey Seer
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I very rarely use them since clanrats function just as well most of the time, but I think you've got the right idea using them to tear though rank&file troops. Hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s vs generic troops isn't such a bad battleplan. Against rank&file elites, you're probably better off putting normal clanrats up against them, or even a large swarm. You'll hit on 4s just like your stormverman probably would, but the clanrats are cheeper so it doesn't sting as bad to see them get murdered while your stormverman chew through weaker units. But as I said, mine pretty much always stay in their box which is unfortunate. |
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| General Vorg | 7th August 2005 - 03:50 PM Post #3 |
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since theyre fast (compared to 4 move like other armies) you could use them as a flanking unit, imagine your clanrats fighting a group of ironbeards when BAM stormvermin unit in there flank! that would hurt. But i would use them as the creamy center, in your middle, and aim for a weak unit to tear through squeeks |
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| Sammy the Squid | 7th August 2005 - 04:12 PM Post #4 |
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I use them to hold by general, then I send them off hunting. on ocasions I try to chase down the enemy lord, when the normal stormvermin use hand weapons/shields, and sometimes they just try to break through the weak point in the enemy lines, in which case I use halberds. Either way, they are always in my army. The problem I find with not using them to try and knock out the enemy lord is that there will be an enemy lord running unchallenged though the rest of your army, which is never a good thing... If they are going for the enemy lord's unit though, give them a supporting unit (or 3) to help with a flank charge etc. Entaro Adun |
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| Warlord Gnashik | 7th August 2005 - 04:16 PM Post #5 |
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I field mine just like you, but I add my warlord into the unit for extra choppy power. If you don't use a warlord, a combat orientated chieftain could do. With him leading I can dare to take on elite units (although I always support the SV with a unit of CR to ensure outnumbering). However, they do the most damage tearing through more fragile units. This seems to be disheartening to my opponents who will undoubtably start gunning for them over anything else. That can open up a lot of doors for the rest of my army. They do make good flankers, like Vorg suggested. Usually it is easier to get the SV stuck in and flank with supporting CR. |
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| Warlord Kamatz | 7th August 2005 - 07:03 PM Post #6 |
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Stormvermin
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Are SV not a little bit expenisve to be a flanking unit? I'm not likely to use a unit of 20 stormvermin to expose their flanks to any other enemy unit. If they weren't a 0-1 choice it would be easier to field them in units of 10 and then two of them for the flank attacks for the same points. i would think that plaguemonks would make better flanking units because they aren't a restricted choice.... Kamatz |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 7th August 2005 - 07:19 PM Post #7 |
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Bunny ear says flop
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*nods*... one of the dilemmas with stormvermin is indeed that they have OR an extra strength due to the halberd OR a better save when taking a shield, although this means he will lose that extra point of strength. Short to say, you need to make a decision on where to use him for. I myself do not field them so much, since clanrats are cheaper and better in the role of rank-and-file. Though, the stormvermin are those units that can push through a combat, where clanrat drag it to a multi-turn action. As such, I'd suggest to place them against opponents where their strength lies. With a halberd against low-armour troops (orcs and goblins for example) and with that shield against troops with great weapons (dwarfs) where they will need all the saves they can get. And otherwise you use them in a unit of 10 to push your screaming bell forward... Greetz |
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| Warlord Gnashik | 7th August 2005 - 07:19 PM Post #8 |
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Backing Veer-myn Dreadball teams!
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Yeah, you're right. I wouldn't use them solely for that purpose. Having them out on the edge of your battleline would greatly decrease their effectiveness because you wouldn't be fighting enough. Centering them in your line with your warlord or a chieftain would be the best bet. As for exposing their flank, hopefully you would be able to break your opponent's unit since his ranks would be nullified and you'd outnumber as well. This should let you pursue and be out of range of other units moving to attack the SV flanks. Leaves you depending on dice rolls instead of tactics though. So yeah, best bet in most cases would be to use CR to flank instead. |
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| Grey seer White Paw | 7th August 2005 - 11:22 PM Post #9 |
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Warlord of 7th Tactics!
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I agree with vinshqueek, however i feild twenty and they push the bell, i find that etn once u lose four the bell is imoblile and i lose about four each turn till the nr and gr get round the back and kick em in that is lol |
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| Sammy the Squid | 8th August 2005 - 02:29 AM Post #10 |
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The problem with having the stormvermin pushing the bell is that you want the stormvermin in the thick of the fighting, and well, you dont want the bell there if at all possible... Entaro Adun |
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| D99 | 8th August 2005 - 02:57 AM Post #11 |
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Stormvermin
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My thoughts exactly. My plan is to use them as you guys suggested, to with a hero and to pick on weaker units. |
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| SingTheScreams | 8th August 2005 - 03:48 AM Post #12 |
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Call me Sings
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20 stormvermin. add chieftan with great weapon and skavenbrew. let 'er rip. |
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| Ratphink | 8th August 2005 - 04:54 AM Post #13 |
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The Unlovable Lurker
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Yeah, and 30's better than 25. The more the merrier, it just depends how many points you wanna throw into one unit really. |
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| Madthing | 8th August 2005 - 05:29 AM Post #14 |
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Chieftain
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About the screaming bell - a unit of 10 Stormvermin are cheaper than a unit of 20 Clanrats, the minimum size of each unit, and so if you want a cheap unit to push the bell, you should actually use Stormvermin. Or, to do the maths, a minimum unit of naked Clanrats is 100 points, while a minumum unit of naked Stormvermin is 80. Even if you gave all of them shields, it still costs less than a minimum Clanrat unit. |
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| Skaven Lord Vinshqueek | 8th August 2005 - 06:19 AM Post #15 |
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Bunny ear says flop
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Fair enough, but look at it like this... With a seer on the screaming bell, your LoS will be improved big time. As such, you don't need it in your front line, but you do need those rats to push it. Less rats (and thus points) means you have more points to spend in clanrats for your front line. You stated yourself that they weren't doing so much good in recent battles, right? Greetz |
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