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Topic Started: 5th August 2005 - 06:47 PM (834 Views)
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Errrr... a unit of 3 Dragon Ogres with Great Weapons get the job done pretty well. >.> That and they have 3-4 wounds each making them all the harder to kill. :lol:
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As all the pervious posters have mentioned, there are many ways to make the combo you speak of, are at least really close to it, and in some cases better than it.

I still think the Old blood is probably the most vicious out there for the points, simply mounting him on a cold one and giving him a great weapon makes for a cheap vicious lord, that is capable of staying in combat forever due to coldblooded, and chopping through many enemies per round of combat.

Vampire Lords are up there too though, but I think Vampire and Choas Lords are a little overpriced and take up too much, since they cost a lot and usually end up being the focus point of the army since they take up an extra hero slot.
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Saurus Oldbloods are great characters, not too expensive, and can get great items. The Scaly Skin (5+) combined with blessed spawning of Quetzl and maiming shield gives him a 3+ armor save and he has 6 st5 attacks. If not equiped with the maiming shield, just give him a great weapon or something, giving him 5 st7 attacks (I think).

Black Orcs aren't too bad either, a Big Boss (2 Hero Slots) has st5 and to5 base. Give him Drog's Dead 'Ard Armor (1+ armor save) and a great weapon and he kicks butt in a 1k game. He only costs 114 pts. configured that way, sort of expensive (for me anyway, with orcs & goblins as well as skaven, I'm used to cheap horde armies).

You could really go on forever, there are so many combinations. Almost every army has a few characters that can get a lot of high strength attacks, especially when you start to get to the lord level characters. I don't know why you needed this information, but here it is anyway.

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Well, as I believe I've already said, I'm creating a character and was wondering if 5 s7 attacks was a bit overpowered and if not, around what points cost it would come around to. I'll post it in the House Rules when i'm done.

Thanks for the help though.
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Aug 9 2005, 01:20 AM
Well, as I believe I've already said, I'm creating a character and was wondering if 5 s7 attacks was a bit overpowered and if not, around what points cost it would come around to. I'll post it in the House Rules when i'm done.

Thanks for the help though.

I've been searching every where, and I think I can finally remember!

Grimor Ironhide, I'm pretty sure he had the stats similar to yours, and maybe even better. I looked all over the GW site, but his rules are in the O&G book so I cannot confirm this. The few times I've fought him I swear I remember him having that combo.

It would be nice if someone would confirm this for me, I can't remember for the life of me.
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Yes, Grimgor Ironhide has 5 strength 7 attacks. Which always strike first, IIRC. And he has hatred, so he can re-roll his super-high weaponskill attacks too. And his unit is stubborn. Grimgor is very strong. (boring background, though.)

Anyway, the question whether or not a character with 5 strength 7 attacks is overpowered depends on the type of character and race in question. A wizard with 5 strength 7 attacks would almost always be considered to be overpowered. Skaven aren't supposed to have close combat monster characters or units, it's one of their mayor weaknesses. So, a Skaven character with such stats would be considered to be more overpowered than a Black Orc with such stats, unless the character has weaknesses to compensate. (say, he's a particularly stupid ratogre.)

Point cost... depends. A magic weapon giving a Skaven lord 5 strength 7 attacks would probably cost 85 points, using the cost of Dwarf Runes as a guideline.
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Who cares if it's overpowered, the point of the game is to kick the other player's butt. If you can get a really powerful character for a good point cost, use him, 5 st7 attacks is great.

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Like everything, there are pros and cons. You can make a very powerful hero, but that power comes at a points cost. Thus, if your opponent manages to take down that 1 hero all those points are now his for the taking (VPs!). This is something to be especially careful with as people playing with cannons (giant sniper machines), warplightning cannons (giant sniping lasers), wood elf characters with *The Hunter's Talon*, magic, etc., etc. can be focused on your loaded down character for some big victory points.
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Chieftan Skritch
Aug 9 2005, 07:20 PM
Who cares if it's overpowered, the point of the game is to kick the other player's butt. If you can get a really powerful character for a good point cost, use him, 5 st7 attacks is great.

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Some people would beg to differ...

More to the point, whilst it's perfectly okay to select the characters/magic item combinations you think are the most powerful from the army book, it's not okay to make your own special characters overpowered. Not only does that mean you're trying to win by making up rules of your own... people also won't allow you to use the character.
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Aug 8 2005, 03:09 PM
Vampire Lords are up there too though, but I think Vampire and Choas Lords are a little overpriced and take up too much, since they cost a lot and usually end up being the focus point of the army since they take up an extra hero slot.

Errr... Chaos Lords are only a hero choice, so that cuts them down to just pricey. And my army is focused around my two units of knights, only one of them have a Chaos Lord. The other Chaos Lord is there for novelty value. Khornate Lord on Chaos Dragon with Chaos Daemon Sword. Come on. The shear fact that I made him makes my friends shake their fist at me and threaten to fire everything they have at it, so he's a nice, expensive missle shield.

That aside, you can just use the combo I just made to make something with more than 5 strength 7 attacks.

My combo you got
Lord-8 Strength 6 attacks
Dragon-6 Strength 6 attacks

Total=14 Strength 6 attacks. I'll stick with that thanks. B)
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Just make your character using a regular character's stats and add points to it using magic items as a guideline for the price. 5 st7 attacks would really only suit a lord, and probably take up a lot of points. I don't see the point in making this character as he'll probably just end up being the focus point of your army, leaving less points for troops. I've never been one to spend a lot on characters, I keep them as cheap as possible without losing effectiveness. The point of characters is to spread leadership through the general and add a bit to combat. It's always nice to have the impossible to kill, allmighty warrior who kicks serious butt, but that doesn't matter when you have no army for him to lead.

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doombull with a great weapon -1 lord - 5 s7 attacks - 188 points

lord of chaos with a great weapon - 1 lord - 5 s7 attacks that always strike first - 241 points

shaggoth with great weapon - 1 rare - 5 s7 attacks
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Aug 9 2005, 09:51 PM
doombull with a great weapon -1 lord - 5 s7 attacks - 188 points

lord of chaos with a great weapon - 1 lord - 5 s7 attacks that always strike first - 241 points

shaggoth with great weapon - 1 rare - 5 s7 attacks

You forget to say that this chaoslord combination also suffer from stupidity... ;)
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SingTheScreams
Aug 9 2005, 09:51 PM
doombull with a great weapon -1 lord - 5 s7 attacks - 188 points

lord of chaos with a great weapon - 1 lord - 5 s7 attacks that always strike first - 241 points

shaggoth with great weapon - 1 rare - 5 s7 attacks

You forget to say that this chaoslord combination also suffer from stupidity... ;)

yeah but it's rerollable ld9 (or maybe 10 i forget)... unless youve got horrible luck, he aint stopping.
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True, this is why I love to see my champion sporting this wicked combo...
A little less attack, but just as devastating...
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