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GW is neglecting Clan Moulder; aren't they?
Topic Started: 2nd August 2005 - 03:20 PM (1,518 Views)
daionosis
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Clan Moulder is being neglected by GW. they should fluff wise be the most used greater clan, according to the skaven background book (which I own, just forgot what it's called) but almost no one uses their "best" unit (fluff wise) the ratogres, whilst gian rats are a fairly regular sight. but my point is, all the other clans have gotten a list of their own, which is good and powerful. Eshin has their SoC list, which kicks ass, Pestilens have their newly released list, and Skyre have the normal skven list, which is pretty much Skyre attuned already, and musch hated by people who attend tournaments.

now I want to ask you, what is needed to make Moulder used again? I'd like to post some of my own ideas, but as I never had any battlefield experience all I could think of was a new unit type, I came up with some sort of bats, but I'm still working oon that, so I won't post them yet. please, tell me what you think Clan Moulder needs to regain their rightful position of dominance over the Lower Clans (which is every other clan, IMHO)

cheers, Daionosis Rove
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*toot*

Well, if you look around here or the house rules section, some peeps came up with giant moulder monstrosities and such. I think what the general sentiment seems to be is simply better, cooler monsters. Giant rats are just, well, big rats, and ratogres simply aren't considered the best unit choice out there. It's quite a disappointing selection of creations from what should be the masters of mutations.

What we'd probably like are either proper monsters, one thing painfully lacking for an army of giant mutated rats, or a ratcavalry, which seems to be another popular conversion. We've seen ratwolf, rat-taurs, ratcavalry etc conversions here. I guess it's simply more variety and more exotic stuff we're after.
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daionosis
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A rat-wolf?

I'm going to search for that one, oh yes-yes.

cheers, Daionosis Rove
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giantrats with master moulder is powerful as they should hold a flank just as well as clanrats with a bsb imho...

Remember that the Lustria list is not Pestilens but a history army were your forced unless your gaming group is nice to you to use a special rat which saps out alot of the strength of the list as you need large point games to use the cool stuff. and the list is very unbalanced like any frenzy list... and it requires a good general to get it correctly.


Clan eshin list is more a slaver list then really clan eshin... imho as ucod list is very hard to work, so you see it more commonly those that win with it using large units of slaves as you can get 25 models for only 65 points... do this a few times and you have a rather large horde with a few tricks needing to make it work... this is where the eshin units like gutter runners and triad and assassins come to mind... still tricky as well to work either with its ucod or not list. As the right balanced army will slaughter anything you can come up with... that of course they step right to avoid you running in their blind spots.


dont even get me started on SAD lists... with that. I hope you like Vincent's underempire realms to improve the "neglect" clans setup, id really like to see the skaven list able to be slanted other ways then a warlord/greyseer setup... but for the most part i love my giantrats they do indeed lact that unf that you get from rat ogres but still a good part of my horde.
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*whistles*... at this moment, we're currently working on a set of houserules that enable you to field your own clan Moulder army in WHF games. Although the rules aren't official (suppose they won't be either, since it's more fanbased and for the fun of the game then actually the GW ideal behind it), they are made by the people from this site! And as such, a little bit of everyone will be inserted in the whole thing. If you wish to take a peek yourself, then click here and add to the thread whatever you think should be added.

On the matter of your stated points, I do have to agree with you. Although there are many who are so glad the rat ogres are in plastic, I for one won't buy them. Why? First of all, I wish to head for 8 giant rat packs and if I wish to do so with the plastic boxes, I'll be ending up with a total of 16 rat ogre packs! Now whom would possible be fielding so much rat ogres in an army? Not me... (but then again, I'm much more fond of giant rats: cheaper and more points cost-efficient in my style of play).

How would they eventually rise to the top again? Simple... Units that are more efficient for their use. Although rat ogres are no longer large target, they are still hugely attracting missile fire units, which is simply a points-sink when attending tourneys. Next to that, they can't have ranks, so they (almost) always be flanking... Short to say, although they are the hardest combat troops we have, they simply can't keep it on their own nowadays in many tourneys.

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Aug 2 2005, 02:29 PM
I'll be ending up with a total of 16 rat ogre packs! Now whom would possible be fielding so much rat ogres in an army?

Bassik?

j/k. Can you not get the rat packs and rogres separately anymore? I thought they had the combo pack, but also sold them individually.

That is teh suck!

*moment of internet fanboy has passed*

Seriously though, that is a major bummer. Does anyone have pics of the plastic rat ogres? I have been thinking about getting a set to tinker with.

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daionosis
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on a side note, the plastic rat ogres look far worse than the metal ones, they're all bent over! the metal ones are straight, and I like that about them, they're more ogres. with these new plastics, you get an impractical amount of models, well, nice bits (have ypou seen the min packmaster in the sprue? he looks great :D) ánd hunged ratogres, who look bad and as they are plasic, they're harder to paint. or such is my experience, I've always prefered to paint metal min's over the plastic ones.

cheers, Daionosis Rove

EDIT; I'll look into that Moulder thread, I'm thinking of an flying Batogre model :ph43r:
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fibonacci
 
Can you not get the rat packs and rogres separately anymore? I thought they had the combo pack, but also sold them individually.
Yes, it can be done through mailorder. Where I come from (the NL), they don't seem to sell giant rat pack blisters, or rat ogre blisters anymore. Everything has to be those plastic things, which IMHO is just lame! Now I have to mailorder those things (wait three weeks) and will propably paying more then BEFORE those plastic boxes came in, since GW is doing a sneaky trick in raising those "archive model" prices. Well... Let me just keep it to here with ranting on GW, but let me just conclude that I'm not so happy with how they're doing those things.

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For moulder to once again be the top clan they need. rat ogres that can win fights on their own!

Some sort of flying unit

some sort of calvary

and a monstrous mount, this wouuld make their play style so different to a normall sjkaven army that itd be worth it

and they could make it an historical list and just use throt, and make it during the soc or sumink... there was that rumour about realms 8 peaks tho...

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Tilara
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My guess is next time they create a book with new alternate army lists, Moulder will be the one they do for Skaven. As you say, moulder might be the most used greater clan... the key word being used. I'm pretty sure everyone uses moulder units in one form or another. Most used doesn't mean the most independant.
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In fluff, they are one of the, if not the richest greater clan from their lucrative trade in mutated beasts, so in fluff warfare they're supposedly the most used, yet in actual gameplay we only get giant rats and ratogres. Compared to Skryre, where almost everyone fields at least 2 of their unit or character types. With ratogres being generally disliked, if anyone fields moulder it's giantrats only. In gameplay, Skryre is possibly the most used.

I think Moulder should be used to take advantage of one of the lack of troop types that skaven have, being namely the big lone monster like the hydra or giant. Giant ratbeast with packmasters, it's perfect moulder-style. Preferably something that's properly mutated this time too.
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Yh, some sorta of beast maybe with the relentless assult rule,(that would make good y image of a giant giant rat chargiing thru everything)
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fibonacci
Aug 2 2005, 08:37 PM
Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
Aug 2 2005, 02:29 PM
I'll be ending up with a total of 16 rat ogre packs! Now whom would possible be fielding so much rat ogres in an army?

Bassik?


I already do ^_^
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ey, vince, fancy selling me those ogres? ^_^
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@Bassik: you indeed do and if I'd do it too, I'd be copying you... Now we all want one Bassik here and not two, right? ;)

@Stinky: *laughs*... oh, forgot to mention, I have a dispute with my bank account for a while now. It won't let me buy any new stuff untill I gave it some food (read: hard cash) again, cause it's dead empty.

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