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Raised Filigree; or small detail green stuff techniques
Topic Started: 28th July 2005 - 08:02 PM (405 Views)
hakoMike
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I am doing some Dark Elf conversions for a friend and want to create some raised detail for cloaks, like filigree. Here's an example of the sort of thing I'm going to try:
http://www.coolminiornot.com/94576
I am guessing that I will need to make a negative of the detail and press the sheets of green stuff into the negative to get the detail and then let it cure a little before molding the cloak shape.

So does anyone have any green-stuff experience in this sort of thing that they'd like to share. I have scoured the web for all the tutorials I could find, but if you have advice or a personal favorite tutorial I'd love to hear/see it.
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That pic is F*****g amazing o my god, i cant even sculpt simple pouches onto models and he/she goes and does practically a whole model. that is amazing. o soz o have no tips for u, it just had to be said*wow*
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:o thats that coolest thing ive ever seen.
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Warlock Master Shikkish
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THAT is impressive. I'm not sure how I'd do that, but an impression is probably the easiest way to get something looking halfway decent. What I'd do is create a flat negative, then press the thin greenstuff cloak into the negative.
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Yeah Scibor is my hero too. ;)

I'm working on it tonight. I'm using polymer clay (Fimo, Sculpey... the stuff that gets hard when you bake it) and pressing sheets of green stuff onto the finished product.

MUTATED with results!
My current options:
1. add pattern to clay before baking
Result: was difficult to get the pattern in the soft clay. Result transfered easily to green stuff, but the rough texture in the bottom of the "trench" showed up in the raised area of the green stuff.
2. scratching pattern into hardened clay
Result: worked better. I colored the surface with a marker, giving me a visual guide to carve at. Polymer clay is a little crumbly; maybe cooking longer would have helped. I didn't have a perfect piece of GS to use, but what I did looked nicer than the pattern added before baking. I'm going to try this one again.
3. adding pattern into clay that has been refrigerated. (haven't tried yet.)

If anyone can think of another combination I missed, let me know.
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I also think you made a realy good job.

do you have some links to some of your other models?
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hakoMike
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The wood elf isn't my work; it's someone named Scibor, a regular custom sculptor at coolminiornot.com. Go here and you'll find tons of his stuff. I was just using the pic to show what I am trying to do... the raised detail on the cloak.

Looking at it again this morning, the technique that seemed to work was carving the detail into a baked piece of polymer clay, then pressing the sheet of green stuff onto it and letting it cure for a few hours. I might try mixing in miliput or something to increase the hardness because green stuff is really flexible, even after curing.

I'll post a pic of a couple results after I create a good cloak. The rest of the conversion is going well (Dark Elf Noble BSB on cold one) so I'll work on more filigree tonight.
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I talked to the resident green stuff expert here and he pointed out a couple details that I missed that show how it was done.

Model the cape to an approximate shape, then roll the greenstuff into string and carefully press that on, then smooth it with a blade. He said it helps to let the greenstuff harden for about 5 minutesto make that part easier.

If you look at the intersections of the lines, you can see where it is significantly thicker because he had 2 strips of greenstuff overlapping.

wow, thats a lot of work.
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probably the best way to do it is carving it into the hardened clay, like you did.
post pics when your done!

i dont really like that woodelf model though, imo the actual model looks muuuuuch nicer.

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If you find a good way to do what he is doing, maby a guide with pics, pleace post it.
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Thats a very interesting convertion... is it a woodelf or a Darkelf???

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Jul 30 2005, 10:12 AM
Thats a very interesting convertion... is it a woodelf or a Darkelf???

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It's a wood elf. I posted that particular pic pic to show an example of the raised filigree I'm trying to do. The guy who converted the elf uses that technique a lot.

It's not always filigree though.... some of his space marine conversions have amazingly cool raised details on the armor.
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thats awsome, when your dont that model i wanna see a pict of it now-now... or then-then... or...

*runs away screaming*

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