| Do you really think there is a god?; answer or suffer the consequences | |
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| s'nkeep | 13th March 2005 - 05:38 PM Post #31 |
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good viewpoint Demagorgon, dont be fearful or feel you must say sorry to offend someone... everyone is entitlted to what they think... but when others try to push what they feel or believe onto others is what we are trying to avoid in this converation... so your fine in what you say... i too am impressed i figured by now someone would have attempted to push their view... so far the most agressive post was included with context and thoughtfulness... (gj mik ;)) |
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| Skaskrit Venomclaw | 13th March 2005 - 10:19 PM Post #32 |
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Interesting discussion, to say the least. I guess I'm not really surprised at the largish amount of "believers", unlike Mik. You've got to realise, after all, that Mik and I live in the second-most secularised country in Europe. (the Czech Republic is the first), so in an international forum there's bound to be rather more religious people than on the streets in Holland. (And even here, many/most people at least believe there's "something".) Anyway, what truly amazes me is how many different beliefs, faiths and religions can be found on the forum, without it ever generating the slightest amount of friction. Even up to the point it can be discussed civilly... Anyway, to comment on some points raised earlier in the thread: (Nirvana, for example) The one "problem" I see with an atheistic worldview, is that it indeed is hard or perhaps impossible to explain "how it all started." What could have caused the Big Bang (Provided you believe such a thing occurred) if not some higher power? To most other things, (Twins having same interests, marvellous natural constructions, whatever) a more or less plausible explanation can at least be made without referring to supernatural powers, even if it can't always be proven. It can also be assumed that things not currently understood about such phenomena could possibly be explained some time in the future as technology and science advance. With the origin of the universe, the nature of eternity, the beginning and end of time, that is much harder. Maybe there will be theories explaining these things scientifically one day. But it's hard to imagine how. Still, for me these questions are not answered by putting God, or "a power" in the position of First Cause and Prime Mover of the universe. Because, as others have stated, in that case where did God come from? The only answer would be he always has existed, always will exist, and in fact is what defines existence. An answer which would fit many theologies, I think, but not one I can easily accept. For it does not truly answer my question, it merely states the "power" simply is. One might as well state the Big Bang simply happened, or was caused by some other natural reaction that simply is. Unanswerable questions, I'm afraid. At least, questions that I can find no answers to that truly statisfy me. But for the moment, I see no necessity for belief in a god or "power" based on science and logic are concerned. (Although there exist no necessity to disbelief it either.) |
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"I have a post-Armageddon vision. We and all other large animals are gone. Rodents emerge as the ultimate post-human scavengers. They gnaw their way through New York, London and Tokyo... within 5 million years, a whole range of new species replace the ones we know. Herds of giant grazing rats are stalked by sabre-toothed predatory rats. Given enough time, will a species of intelligent, cultivated rats emerge?" Richard Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale | |
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