| Do you really think there is a god?; answer or suffer the consequences | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 11th March 2005 - 04:25 AM (491 Views) | |
| nirvana | 11th March 2005 - 04:25 AM Post #1 |
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saddly i forget my daily worship of the horned one most of the time...
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Steven Seagal Quotes (Yes, they are real...) -“Try to find the path of least resistance and use it without harming others. Live with integrity and morality, not only with people but with all beings.” -“I am hoping that I can be known as a great writer and actor some day, rather than a sex symbol.” | |
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| Sammy the Squid | 11th March 2005 - 04:54 AM Post #2 |
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Back to retirement!
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There must be SOMETHING out there, but i dont belive it is a god like the bible god... just something watching over us... |
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| Mutator | 11th March 2005 - 05:03 AM Post #3 |
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Retired fat dude
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Paraphrased from the forum rules in the Information Forum. This means you may freely vote and reply in this poll topic, but you may not express objections to anyone else's opinions. Keep it seemly, because religious topics are flame-bait, and we, the Co13, have bigger warpfire throwers :ph43r: |
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| Skagrit | 11th March 2005 - 07:49 AM Post #4 |
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LOL I can vote for everyone of those options! :lol: but I agree with sammy, there is something out there.......Gaaaaah an assassin! gurgel gurgel.....
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We are living on this world on rented time and now we can't pay the rent We have thrown out our garbage into the corridor and we have clogged the toilet We have annoyed the neighbors and we have pissed off the landlord We have stolen all the wares from the nature and we have poisoned our veins with greed We have powered our hearts with a false promise that we aren't so bad and we have told ourself that everything happens for reason We say that we will be forgiven and that all we do will ok when we die We do not deserve to be spared and we deserve to burn For the anquish we have caused this world We deserve to burn The Truth | |
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| EtherealAlpaca | 11th March 2005 - 08:09 AM Post #5 |
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Ivoted this poll is stupid, so I could brag about being the first.There's too much uncertainty in the world, my attitude to the whole religious area of my life is to ignore it completely. |
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| Deathmaster Mik | 11th March 2005 - 08:15 AM Post #6 |
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I think there is no God. People made Gods (or something to worship) up ever since they became 'self-aware' hundreds of centuries ago; some things are out of our hands (well, actually MOST things are).. and by worshipping an all-powerful Diety, people feel they now have a small say/ influence over things beyond their reach. (for instance; 'sacrificing stuff for good weather for the farmlands', 'sailors praying for safe return home', 'living a certain way to be granted another -good- life after death'..etc etc. the list is endless) 'Worshipping' isn't something certain people actually choose to do (a concious decision), it just 'felt natural' and so their minds made a fitting picture of what to worship. Religions, Gods, whatever.. changed over time, because we -the people- changed; We gained more knowlegde and everytime humanity realized it was off-track, some new religions popped out of the ground that could be possible within the newly found laws of nature etc. That isn't saying that the people who started religions didn't believe what they were saying/ spreading and that others aren't allowed to start believing it as well, but I think the belief in any God exists, because the need for something 'bigger then life' is inside people. To me, all of the above means one thing; the need for a 'god' is something that is IN people themselves. (with 'god', I mean an entity -the 'something out there' - that has incredible powers and who decides over our fates after our last breath) We sometimes need something out there -watching over us- to cope with our sometimes harsh reality. Evil.. Good.. All made up by humanity; no other living being worries about these things; they just 'live'.. and the last thing they do, is 'dying'. I think it's the same for us; we live our lives.. and somwhere after we start our life, we cease to exist. No heaven.. no 30 virgins waiting.. just void and nothingness. Do I like the thought? Not really, so I do understand people who want to think it's otherwise. *shrug* To each his own. (don't forget to live your life to the max!) Here endest the lessons. from: The Book of Mik, chapter 13, verse 169. :ph43r: |
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| SneakyRodent | 11th March 2005 - 10:52 AM Post #7 |
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Claws of the Horned One founder member
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Geez Mik, that's bleak! (well written mind...) :lol: This has the possibility of a very good discussion thread, but I tend to agree with Mutator's view that this subject inevitably seems to bring out the worst traits in humanity. How many wars have happened in the name of religion after all? For that reason I'll keep my personal views private, but hope that this thread can continue without degenerating into chaos! For which as we know, has four gods already....
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| Deathmaster Mik | 11th March 2005 - 11:15 AM Post #8 |
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Maybe a lot of people find what I think 'bleak'. Hence the reason why religions exist? People don't like 'bleakness' much. I don't think it's that bad a thought really. Doesn't make me sad (that's what 'bleakness' measn right?) at all. Just makes me realize I've got to do something with this life.. right here.. right now, cause in my view, it's all I got. I don't think it's bleak; I like to think of it as 'realistic'.
Shame that you do not wish to share your view, really. I don't think those two quoted sentences 'mix'. If you think this could be 'a very good discussion thread', then why not add your weight to it? I too heed the (wise) words of Mutator. But why not give this community the benefit of the doubt? I did. Deathmaster -there-is-no-G..spoon- Mik :ph43r: |
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| Skaskrit Venomclaw | 11th March 2005 - 12:34 PM Post #9 |
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Uncanny. Mik has exactly expressed my beliefs. I've used this line of explanation many times myself, although maybe not quite so eloquently. Anyway, no god as far as I'm concerned. Although I do swear by the horned rat sometimes... |
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"I have a post-Armageddon vision. We and all other large animals are gone. Rodents emerge as the ultimate post-human scavengers. They gnaw their way through New York, London and Tokyo... within 5 million years, a whole range of new species replace the ones we know. Herds of giant grazing rats are stalked by sabre-toothed predatory rats. Given enough time, will a species of intelligent, cultivated rats emerge?" Richard Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale | |
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| SneakyRodent | 11th March 2005 - 12:37 PM Post #10 |
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Actually you're spot on - even as I wrote those lines I thought that they were a bit contradictory! And it's correct that by definition a discussion has to include various viewpoints, so here goes..... I do not believe that there is a God in the Biblical sense. In my own, personal opinion, the Bible is a collection of fictional stories that had grown in the telling (folk-lore style) before they were written down. I readily accept that there was a man called Jesus who the Romans executed because he was too much of a political figurehead, but the miracles he was supposed to have performed.....hmm, not really convincing. However. This is not to say that I do not believe that there is something greater than us out there which we do not understand. I cannot accept that we live our lives and die and that is it. When I think of the statistically tiny chance of each of us actually being here, I figure that there has to be some purpose to our existence. Much as I agree with Mik's sentiment of 'live life to the full', I can't help but think that there is a form of existence beyond 'death'. I just don't know if our consciousness follows us through to what lies beyond. (That's why the concept of Heaven is so nice on the face of it - you keep all your memories, your old friends and family are all there, there is no war,disease etc etc - but really, is an eternity of that either realistic or indeed desireable? Perfection, endless bliss - well, call me picky but won't that get just a little boring? I don't think the human mind is equipped to deal with such an existence - it is more in our nature to struggle in the face of adversity in my opinion.)
As a point of interest Mik, have you decided what that 'something' is yet? (For me the answer is my children; I feel satisfied that if I died tomorrow then I'd have at least left a mark in life.) I called your last post 'bleak' - I know that you realised that wasn't a criticism, it was just my feeling that your premise of 'I've died, now comes oblivion' is just very depressing! That of course is where religion comes in as a cosy comfort blanket, and I have no wish to try and convince ANYBODY that the Bible (or whatever the individual's faith equivalent) may not be right (and if it is, boy do I have some explaining to do at the Gates!) But for me, I believe life endures. In what shape or form after we die in this world...........well, I guess I'll find out eventually!
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| Rattsu | 11th March 2005 - 12:49 PM Post #11 |
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Is writing Dragon Age fanfiction
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*grins* Mik bleak? You should see my view of things. *snerks* |
I am currently writing an epic Dragon Age 2 adventure that can be found HERE!! or on my deviantart.
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| Warlord Wynnar | 11th March 2005 - 12:53 PM Post #12 |
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And no-one would like to find out what resides in this twisted mind of mine. |
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| Skaskrit Venomclaw | 11th March 2005 - 12:56 PM Post #13 |
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That is the one problem with my being an atheist. If I'm wrong, the religious people get to say "I told you so" whilst I'm being kicked from the gates of Heaven. (Or in whatever afterlife) However, if I'm right, nobody will ever realise it, because when the religious person dies he ceases to exist altogether, and would never realise he'd been wrong. Oh well, it really does not matter as far as I'm concerned. Anyway, not to start a sensitive debate or something, but I do wonder what you meant by this statement:
Do you mean the small chance of life in general existing, or are you referring to individual human beings? If the former, well, I've nothing to add save that for me chance is chance, and maybe the odds of life evolving are not so tiny after all. If the latter, I do not quite see why that is strange. Do you mean the odds of a certain human being turning out as he does are very small? In hindsight, they appear to be small. But in actual fact, they're not. It's like throwing a hundred dice at once. The statistical probability of getting the precise result you threw (first dice a 3, second a 1, etc) is infinitesimal. But there is nothing involved save chance, because there is going to be a result, randomly picked out of billions of possible results. Or perhaps you mean something else entirely. Edit:
Yes! We should see your view. Enlighten the masses, post in off-topic! |
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"I have a post-Armageddon vision. We and all other large animals are gone. Rodents emerge as the ultimate post-human scavengers. They gnaw their way through New York, London and Tokyo... within 5 million years, a whole range of new species replace the ones we know. Herds of giant grazing rats are stalked by sabre-toothed predatory rats. Given enough time, will a species of intelligent, cultivated rats emerge?" Richard Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale | |
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| SneakyRodent | 11th March 2005 - 01:21 PM Post #14 |
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What I meant was the chances of us existing as the individuals we are, which is this option unless I'm very much mistaken... To elaborate - What quirk of fate decided that my parents would meet up when they did and that I would eventually be the result? Think of the things that could have ensured that they never met. Career choices that they made in their past, perhaps influenced by friends,teachers etc...maybe even either of them missing a particular bus or train that would have meant they never in fact met (I think there was a film similar to this premis, but I'm darned if I can remember the title......) I then extend this to their parents, then the grandparents, then all the way back through time - and I suddenly realise that statistically I, in the way I am here and now, should not exist. I take your analogy of the dice as a good one Skaskrit, but when I think of just how many dice being thrown.......well, my head hurts. But I'll accept that out of a billion plus possible results it just happened to be me. I guess it just unnerves me slightly when I think of the odds that were stacked against that....I almost feel like I owe Life something....(or at least, whatever was throwing the dice.... )
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| Skaskrit Venomclaw | 11th March 2005 - 01:32 PM Post #15 |
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Ah, I see. I tend to look at things from the other direction, and I don't see anything strange that way. Yes, if something tiny had happened differently five hundred years ago, like an distant ancestor slipping and breaking his neck instead of begetting offspring, I would not exist. But his "supposed" wife would have married someone else, and by now a hundred different people would exist instead of me and my family. I guess I don't think I'm a big deal. I could just as easily have been any of a million possible others. I'm just one more roll of the dice.
Now, this indeed is where the human mind no longer can grasp the magnitude of the factors involved. But the number of factors involved do not make a statistical impossibility. Statistically, you should exist. Or at least, someone should. The trick is to remember, that no matter how many dice are rolled, there will alway be a result. Taken individually, the odds of getting a specific result are tiny, but there must be one, and the chances of you existing are just as large as those of everybody else. And as for whomever (or rather, whatever) rolled them, it has nothing to do with it. Random chance determined how the dice fell. If you throw dice, you have no way to influence the results, so I don't feel I owe anything to anyone for that. |
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"I have a post-Armageddon vision. We and all other large animals are gone. Rodents emerge as the ultimate post-human scavengers. They gnaw their way through New York, London and Tokyo... within 5 million years, a whole range of new species replace the ones we know. Herds of giant grazing rats are stalked by sabre-toothed predatory rats. Given enough time, will a species of intelligent, cultivated rats emerge?" Richard Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale | |
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