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| Tweet Topic Started: 19th September 2004 - 10:30 PM (268 Views) | |
| Nilax | 19th September 2004 - 10:30 PM Post #1 |
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This coming weekend I'll be fighting in new territory...I'll be fighting my fellow Skaven. Furthermore, I'll be fighting the person who originally introduced me to Skaven all those years ago. I haven't seen the guy for like half a decade, but he just recently started to work at the coffee shop in our local college. He hasn't played in a while, and may still have lingering 5th edition tendencies. We agreed to fight a 3,000 point game on my 6x4 grassland/butte board. We also agreed to each use a special character, either one from the Army Book or one of the re-released council henchmen. Verminlords and Doomwheels are also fair game. Its a friendly, noncompetitive game, but its hard not to think competitivelly when you're facing your own race. Everyone wants to be the best Skaven. Also, like the backstory for the Deathmaster goes...when an assassin thinks he's surpassed the skill of his teacher...it is customary for him to kill the teacher... Speaking of the Deathmaster, I have a hunch he'll be taking him...but thats no certainty. Myself, I've got my eye on Ikkit Claw or Thanquol. I have a list drawn up...but I'd like to hear your suggestions. This could be your ideas for army lists, your ideas for strategy, etc. Anything you'd like to add. I must Inherit. |
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| Jackety | 19th September 2004 - 10:40 PM Post #2 |
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Warp Lighting Cannons are mandatory. You'll have a lot of ranks to shoot through. Rattling guns are too. Their just as good against Skaven as they are against Clan Rats. Rat ogres and giant rats are good, too. Remember, low toughness and Plague Censer Bearers are fun! And...ehh...Oh yeah! Thats right. *Smell of burning flesh and burning warpstone.* And good luck! |
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| Skaskrit Venomclaw | 19th September 2004 - 10:53 PM Post #3 |
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I've played against my fellow Skaven before, and it was great fun. Some things I noted: having a horde isn't nearly as good if your opponent has just as much stuff as you do, and is just as fast. It is best to have some hard-hitting units. Plague Monks are very good versus all those toughness 3 troops. So is a big unit of clanrats or stormvermin with the Sacred Standard and a few nasty characters. (However, beware. That was a popular 5th edition tactic, with Skavenbrew added for good measure. Your foe may use it against you.) I also wouldn't be too concerned if you came up against the Deathmaster. How on earth is he going to kill 500 points worth of your army? Jezzails aren't a threat either. What's there to shoot? Same for the WLC. Another 6 dead clanrats, big deal. Poisoned wind globadiers... you mean I don't get to take my 5+ save? And my toughness 3 won't protect me either? Eeek! The pattern is obvious. Clan Skryre isn't nearly as dangerous versus their fellow Skaven. Not even the dreaded Warplightning spell inspires that much fear if it is killing clanrats. However, some things have an added threat rating. First and foremost, the plague spell. Your big units really will feel the pain. Second and not far behind, the warpfire thrower. A template, strength 5 and automatic panic tests? This thing was designed to use against skaven. It fires through skirmish screens, too. Rat swarms can still be nasty if they get near your general's unit. I think that's about it. Skaven civil war is fun. Good luck with the battle. |
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| Nilax | 19th September 2004 - 11:49 PM Post #4 |
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My initial thoughts were much like yours, Venomclaw...so its good that I'm not alone. My main concern if he takes the Deathmaster (Which I gather from his liberal use of Eshin units and his quote which was to the tune of "Gee I love the Deathmaster") is that the little guy might crush the screaming bell. If that bell is holding Thanquol...then thats a pretty nice catch ...but yeah, next to throt and queek he is probably who I fear the least when fighting skaven on skaven.My first list has Thanquol on a bell and a regular grey seer as lord choices, as well as two units of plague monks led by plague priests accompanied by censer bearers. Right now I have a WLC as my third rare choice, though...because he likes to take tooled-up characters...and I have that special character to look out for. I need a good sniper rifle... |
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| Skaskrit Venomclaw | 20th September 2004 - 12:07 AM Post #5 |
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If you are fielding expensive special characters, the deathmaster indeed becomes a serious threat. The only way to really safeguard Thanquol or a seer is to hide him in the back rank. Challenging the deathmaster with a champion may work too, but there will be a large overkill bonus working against you... I don't know about fielding two grey seers either, especially if one is the expensive Thanquol. I would miss my LD 10 warlord, especially against warpfire. If you can get a shot at the deathmaster with the WLC, great. In 3000 points, a single WLC isn't a real bad pick, because even if it doesn't do anything you've only lost a very small proportion of your army. It's worth it just on the off chance you do pull off that lucky shot. Just don't expect it to win the game by cutting through 'lots of ranks'... One final thing. The "I love the Deathmaster" quote could be a bit of very clever misdirection. If he takes only 1 lord choice and 3 heroes in his army, you'll wonder where he's hidden all game even though there is no deathmaster. Take a careful look at the army when it deploys and try to estimate whether there's room left for a ninja-furball of death. (Warhammer-Empire.com article on bluffing and psy-ops.) |
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"I have a post-Armageddon vision. We and all other large animals are gone. Rodents emerge as the ultimate post-human scavengers. They gnaw their way through New York, London and Tokyo... within 5 million years, a whole range of new species replace the ones we know. Herds of giant grazing rats are stalked by sabre-toothed predatory rats. Given enough time, will a species of intelligent, cultivated rats emerge?" Richard Dawkins, The Ancestor's Tale | |
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| Nilax | 20th September 2004 - 05:51 AM Post #6 |
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Thanquol is Ld 7, the same as a Warlord.
This was said before any mention of the battle, when we were just talking generally about special characters. |
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| Warlord Scratch | 20th September 2004 - 10:17 AM Post #7 |
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I wouldnt take a bell, take thanquol and ANOTHER Grey seer, maybe put him on a bell. WFTs are good so take quite a few clanrat units with WFTs and 1 or 2 Rattling guns for when they get close. You have 2 options: Sit back and blast them with magic or shooting OR Attack them with a huge ammount of fur, tooth and claw. Option 1: 3-4 units of clanrats and 1 stormvermin. 2 rattlings and 2-3 WFT. 1-3 WLCs, Thanquol, A Grey seer w/Screaming bell, Warlocks galore, 2-3 units of Jezzails and A full unit of swarms. a few units of slaves would be good too. This is the SAD version. Option 2: Lots and Lots of clanrats, Stromvermin, Slaves, Plague monks, preists and Censer bearers. PWG, 1 WLC, almost all rattling weapons teams, A warlord or Warlord Queek with an assassin, Plague preist, master mouldour leading a pack of Rat ogres and so on and so forth. |
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| Franker | 20th September 2004 - 04:03 PM Post #8 |
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Ask him very nicely if the mainstay rule can be removed and teh take warlord and 73 units of 20 slaves which would be a real horde. |
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| Warlord Scratch | 20th September 2004 - 04:32 PM Post #9 |
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albeit a very weak one. |
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| Sammy the Squid | 21st September 2004 - 04:02 AM Post #10 |
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Definately take Thanquol against other Skaven. He has a high chance of getting plague, and against other skaven, that can be fatal... |
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...but yeah, next to throt and queek he is probably who I fear the least when fighting skaven on skaven.


