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Another go...; S.O.S.! My breeder has Hellcannon!
Topic Started: 15th September 2004 - 05:42 PM (352 Views)
Bassik Dwarveripper
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After being beaten again by my girlfriend, she decided to make it even more difficult for me: SHE BHOUGHT A HELL CANNON AND A FORSAKEN CHAOSDRAGON! How can I kill this? This is her army somehow:
Chaosknights
Greater Deamon, or Archaon
Much-much chaoswarriors and deamons
And now... A <EDIT: Language. -VF> HELL CANNON
AND GAULRACH! MAY THE HORNED ONE GNAW AT HIS ENTRAILS FOREVER!

Does anybody knows how I can kill this? for its getting out of hand! She has a 3000 can't kill Chaos Army!!!!!!! All this extreme armor saves, this ungodly wardsaves, this unholy strenght, and the never running of her troops... I'm freaking out man! I am supposed to be the champion of our gameclub, but if they ever find this out... Affcorse, when the battle gets tens and there are much emotions in it, I usualy let her win. Make up sex great? Try victorie sex! Mostly, the dick wins from my pride(not to mention the brain... poor brain)
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Bassik Dwarveripper
Sep 15 2004, 06:42 PM
A *bleep*ING HELL CANNON

I'm sure you meant to censor that bit...:lol:

Shoot the dragon. Shoot it. It will die. Alternatively, get one of the many guns you would appear to have stashed everywhere and blow its head off. There will be no problem.
Send small units of NRs after the cannon. It will probably go crazy, and try to attack them. It will not shoot then. Alternatively

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get one of the many guns you would appear to have stashed everywhere and blow its head off. There will be no problem.


[EDIT] I realise that that last quote makes not much sense, seeing as the hellcannon has no head. Ah well...:lol:
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i think mobbage might be an answer, what mark does she use??

loads of ratling works 2
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For dragon and bloodthirster, WLC and jezzails with anihilate

For everything else, a nice horde with slave screens to divert his khornate units at angles, and flank charge them. Khorne is the easiest god to win because of that frenzy thingie.

If you say that's what she has, she must have so few units on the field you should've no problems. (like under 100 models)

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Send small units of NRs after the cannon. It will probably go crazy, and try to attack them. It will not shoot then


Mmm, had never thought about that. Great idea. Small 6-7 naked NR packs.

Try the gouger on a warlord.
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Sep 15 2004, 01:56 PM
Try the gouger on a warlord.

Now, now, he wants to keep his GF.

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Small 6-7 naked NR packs.


Reason above.

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For dragon and bloodthirster, WLC and jezzails with anihilate


To be honest, only about 30 jezzails could take anything like that down and youd have to be bloody lucky to rely on the WLC.

Another easy solution: guns, lots of guns.

Rattling ones acctually. Let the bastards come toi you then pepper them with machine gun fire and watch their chaos armour get ripped to shreads. And even if the do get to the gun, its only 60 points... ( thats 1 knight of chaos)

Plague moks! Lots of the buggers! Banner of burning hatred, censer bearers and watch them wreak some nasy havok on any chaos wariors that come close

Oh and for about 200 points, take 5-10 PWG and 5 bases of swarms. engage the knights and lob those balls (Yet again, a good way to lose your GF to the rats who server you ;) Ok ill shut up now).

oh and an assassin can take out the hell cannon crew with distance weapons like throwing stars, just hope she rolls a 2 for rampage or your assassin is mighty screwed.
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Back to retirement!

Or skitterleap your assassin at the Hellcannon. Boy am I glad none of my opponents have one of them! They are nasty!

Beat the warriors wih a large unit of stormvermin led by a warlord and a BSB. That should do the trick. As for the dragon, guns, guns and more guns. preferably Jezzails.
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Try the gouger on a warlord. 
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Now, now, he wants to keep his GF.


Then, put it on a chieftain.


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To be honest, only about 30 jezzails could take anything like that down


What are you rambling about :lol:
Do your maths: 10 jezzails that hit on 4+ / 3+ (big dragon/daemon) and wound on 4+, no save and 6 wounds, that's a 2 turn kill

Turn 1, hitting on 4's, that's 5 hits, so 2,5 wounds
Turn 2, hitting on 3's, Tha,s 6,3 hits, so 3,15 wounds --> dead > 500 pts

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Oh and for about 200 points, take 5-10 PWG and 5 bases of swarms


5 ?!?!? bases ?!?! Man, that's 450 pts, plus the 100 more for globadiers, just for a 350 points kniggets unit ? That's so wasted points.


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Now, now, he wants to keep his GF.
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Yet again, a good way to lose your GF to the rats who server you


Then, before the game you'll be trashing her in like it can only happen in hell !!, buy her some surprise "after- defeat" flowers, or some khorne-thing models, pleading you are sooo sorry and do much worse next time. (which will be a lie, off course Dev )


For me, she hates those dumb little plastic guys-rats.
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I don't think I can add all that much to this convo, but obviously as I don't know your list I don't know what you can drop or add. So to accomodate the suggestions, don't drop any jezzails/slaves, they are worthwhile. Also if you have any giant rats, they provide excellent flanking forces. I wouldn't spend the points on 5 swarms, but 3 wouldn't be bad as they can hold off anything long enough to move a couple of units, which in 3000 is a lot of units. She has two grand targets, don't split fire between them. Concentrate on what's going to hit your lines first (ranged or hth) and take that out, then move to the other unit. This nets you large points, but if played incorrectly (not moving your swarms), the chaos line will hammer yours down as they haven't been shot, so move!

I guess I could add a lot. Enjoy losing your girlfriend!
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Okay *deep breaths*

Sounds to me like you are facing the chaos army of doom that my roomie stomps my rats with now and again. It's Khorne/undivided, right?

Nasty.

However, the Hellcannon can be dealt with, and if done right it can be as nasty to her troops as to yours.

The trick is to get skirmishers close to it. Tunneling Gutter Runners if you feel expensive, or simply shadow runners if she doesn't field skirmishers that can catch them. If you are facing Khorne you should be laden with shadowrunners anyway, so just detach some to try to get to the cannon.

Why?

Because it will rampage. Oooh but it will rampage. If you lure it in the direction of her troops, chances are it will spend the rest of the battle chasing chaos warriors. It has happened more than once around here, and it's always equally hilarious. Read the rules for it carefully and you can exploit them. It's a skaven weapon for chaos *smirks*

A few other tips against chaos if you just doesn't want to go with the skaven gas and electric company (boring):

Fighting part:

The sacred standard of the horned rat is your friend. Unless they have the blood banner (whatever) even Khorne warriors will lose their frenzy, and then they'll run. All you need to do is to beat them by one. This however will most likely requite a lot of characters in one spearhead unit, but go for it. My 'chosen-killer' unit is 33 stormvermin + warlord with the gouger/cautious shield + BSB with the sacred standard (REAR rank) + a chieftain with the desolate blade. And a warbanner for the stormvermin. This unit has a chance of beating the best chaos can throw at them IF they get the charge.

Back this up with two or more clanrat blocks with handweapon and shield, because plaguemonks is simply no good against chaos (unless she uses lots of marauders), and some rat swarms to keep your flanks secure. Keep deployment tight, so you can take advantage of your warlords leadership. They are no here to fight much, just to keep your main block secure and deal with spawns and smaller units.

Shooty part:

Ratlingguns! They are the best friend you can have here. If you are lucky. The flamethrower is no use due to morale issues...

Jezzails! I know they are good, and a block of 10 are affordable on 3000pts. More will lead to les fighting troops.

Warp Lightning cannon can be good too, if nothing else for that odd fluke shot.

Assassin with warpstone stars. You should be able to outmanouver chaos easily unless she plays real smart. The trick is to deploy your assassin so that he can attack a nice and juicy flank. With the small chaos army that should not be a problem, if you can get him behind the lines, even better. Then it is monster killing time. Concentrate ALL available fire on the dragon or bloodthirster first, between jezzails, WLC and the assassin's stars it could crumble quickly. Gotta love the magic weapons *smirks*. Then, move to the next monster, or knights if you are finished with them.

Once they've gotten close, add ratlingguns to the mix.

If she likes to jump in and attack your shooty troops with her bloodthirster/dragon, then rush back with your ratlingguns there as soon as possible to be able to strike back. They are just as useful securing your rear as blasting to the front.

Also, keep your rat swarms close to where you think the flying monster will strike. if it goes for the flank of your fighting line, then deploy them there. If she goes for the shooting, then field them almost in base to base, surrounding your jezzails so she can't get to them. Even chaos lords on dragons and bloodthirsters can be tied up by swarms.

Then they will shot up, unless of course everyone fails their terror test *smirks*. One way around that can be to build a 'fortress' dwarf style, where missile troops are shielded by infantry. Haven't tried that yet though...

And most important of all:

Against khorne, field lots of small, non tooled units of shadowrunners. Khorn can be beat real easy if you just let them charge the runners so they turn their side to your fighting units.

Another thing:

Keep your force focused. Chaos can field more points per feet than any other army, and if you spread out too much you risk getting your force picked apart piecemeal and getting outmanouvered.
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Wow! thanks for your tips! Yes-yes! It was Chaos Khorne etc. AND I WON!!!! first time in history I scored a minor vicotrie against her!
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I'm sure you meant to censor that bit...

No I didn't!

I didn't lose my girl. She said she was happy for me. (yeah right)
Anyway, it was make-up sex again...sigh....

BUT IT WAS WORTH IT! FINNALY I KILLED HER CHOSEN CHAOS THINGY'S!

Okay... maybe it wasn't worth it... :(
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sadly that sound slike a loose/loose situation... ah well, congrats on the victory!!!
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'Ttakquick
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Cool. When chaos start losing units they really feel the sting.
Anyways, maybe you should taunt her and raise the stakes, challenge her to a battle and whomever wins gets a special request (which would be determined later-by you).
Maybe you'll get to "experiment". Huh? ;)
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Experiment? When I'm with her at night, I feel like a Master Moulder ;)
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like rattsu said...Lure the cannon into rampage w/ scouts/tunnerling team/or any fast skirmishers...I played this thinglike twice... it never fired a singly shot! :D

but if you have the runners close it rampages, flee, then go close again (continue)...
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Bassik Dwarveripper
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yeah, just like the runners would rally...
They tend to run whenever possible, and never quit. I've won anyway, close poll please.
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