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Rules Question about Characters fighting back
Topic Started: 17th August 2004 - 04:49 PM (259 Views)
tate1307
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Ok so here is the senario:

-My unit is in combat with an enemy unit.
-He strikes first and inflicts 4 wounds, 4 die (none directed at character or champ).
-My frontage is 5 across including a Unit Champion and a Charater.
-I think that both my champ and character get to strike back because characters always get to attack unless they are killed and the champion is essentially a character that cannot leave the unit
-He thinks that because 4 died out of 5, that only one model gets to strike back, either my character or champion

-His point seems to contradict the rule of Characters always fight back because if he killed 5 then nobody (not even my character) could strike back according to his logic.

I hope you can understand this, please tell me who is right and if at all possible reference a page number or at least a chapter/section because he will not accept my view unless there is written proof and all that BS. Thanks.
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Thrask Vilepaw
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im pretty sure the full rank can attack back as the skaven from the back replace those at the front as they die.
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Aug 17 2004, 11:51 AM
im pretty sure the full rank can attack back as the skaven from the back replace those at the front as they die.

I'm not sure what the answer to your question is but I know that this one is definitly wrong. B)

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WolfBlade
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When no attacks are used against the champion or charakter. And they both are part of the front rank. They both can fith back. Just because no one have attacked them. 4 Clanrats died, but they don't.
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Wolfblade is correct. Champions and characters have to be individually targetted. Some people I paly always put one attack on the champion each round of close combat, just as a "why not?" kind of move.
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i always assumed that models in the rest of the unit ran forward to fill the gap, so units with a frontage of 5 will ALWAYS get 5 (6 with champ, however many with char) attaacks unless there's less than 5 models in the unit (making it's frontage 4.......)
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nope. if you have a frontage of 8, no command or chars, and 8 are killed, you get no atttacks (unless spears).
same frontage, but only 5 are killed, then 8-5 = 3 (you get three attacks)
if only 3 were killed, you'd have 8-3 = 5 attacks back

the exceptions are unit champions and characters. even if your entire front rank is wiped out (you take more casualties than there are models in the front rank), champions and characters may attack back (provided they aren't dead).
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tate1307
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I knew I was right. .. haha, but does anyone have a page number?? One more thing that all of you guys should know. .. it says in the rules section under champions on page number 109 (last three lines of the 5th paragraph in the second column) "If killed in close combat, any excess wounds ARE carried over to normal rank-and-file models in the unit."

This means that you lose nothing when trying to attack unit champions and should always direct as many attacks as you can towards them because you could kill him and regular soldiers. Great for us skaven who dont use champions very much :)
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Raticus
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Just be careful, because some champions will actually have better stats besides the basic +1 attack. Take black orcs for example, their champion has +1 ws and +1 str. Which could make him harder to hit.
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tate1307
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Oh yeah, forgot about that, nice point.
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"Sing the Screams" is totally correct.
Characters/champions must have attacks directed at them,before any dice rolling.
They probably have different stats than basic troops. If he says nothing ,then you take casualties from rank & file.

It's scary how many people got that basic rules question wrong.
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It's scary how many people got that basic rules question wrong.


I agree. Once again I'll ask that if you aren't sure, please don't post guesses.
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