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| Help vs Dwarves; Haven't played against one before | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: 14th August 2004 - 07:41 PM (576 Views) | |
| Snorkel | 14th August 2004 - 07:41 PM Post #1 |
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I was challenged on a battle by a dwarf player at Monday and I haven't played against Dwarves before, so I need help from your experience. I have only figured out that I'm going to field 4 Clanrats(4*6) and 4 slaves(4*6), as well as 2-3 Tunelling teams. I don't have any Jezzails or Giant Rats. I'm also thinking about fielding a Warlord Character based army as he's going to expect a lot of my Warlocks to show up and waste a lot of points in spellbreaking torcs. Thank you in advace! |
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| Thrask Vilepaw | 14th August 2004 - 07:56 PM Post #2 |
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Well first dont expect tehm to run away when or if you kill the general, remember that you can run rings around them, use this to your advantage, get those flank charges in, use a group of jezzails as the dwarves will probably never reach them and so they wil slowly rack up the kills, take some rat ogres as that str 5 and m 6 will make them perfect for removing rank bonus and armour saves. Hope my two cents have helped. |
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| Snorkel | 14th August 2004 - 08:04 PM Post #3 |
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Thanks but as I said I have no Jezzails, so I'll try to replace them with four Ratling Guns. With a movement of 3 It will take him about 3 turns to charge them in which case I Stand and Shoot! Another question I have is: should I take a Warp-Lightning Cannon? |
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| Thrask Vilepaw | 14th August 2004 - 08:14 PM Post #4 |
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it can be a bit of a liability but can be devastating against high armour people as dwarves have small regiments anyway. If you get anhigh enough str hit you can negate the save and cause a panic test, which they might (doubtfully) fail. |
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| Jackety | 14th August 2004 - 08:48 PM Post #5 |
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FEAR THE LEMMING!
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Dwarf-Slayer must be taken. Stay away from the scary dwarf lord: That thing HURTS! Take one WLC for his war machines. Did you know that a single Plague Priest with the book and a PCB can kill a whole lot of dwarves on his own? Did you know that a Warlord with warpstone Armor and the Dwarf Slayer is the bane of Dwarves? Before the Anvil of Doom... |
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| Rattsu | 14th August 2004 - 08:50 PM Post #6 |
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I don't know the points, but.... I play against dwarves a lot, and there's one thing that truly hurts: A big unit of stormvermin/clanrats with a warlord with the gouger (no Asaves) and a BsB with the sacred standardof the horned rat in the rear rank... Make sure you outnumber the dwarves. Make sure you get to charge them (shouldn't be hard). Maybe even a warbanner of ou have stormvermin. Or an assassin instead of a warlord. Then hit one of your opponents important blocks and watch them run. For a dwarf, to have his troops be run down by rats usually paralyses him for the rest of the battle. And it stops him compaining from too many ratling guns *smirks* Believe me, fear is your friend aginst the dwarves... EDIT: globardiers are fun if you have them, mostly because they will get EVERY dwarf to shoot at them for a while of you tell the player what to do and chuckles... Also, dwarves are not hard if they don't have a character. If he fields any normal dwarves without characters you can take them by ganging up and outnumbering. You shoul always get the charge. Try to occupy his hardest units with slaves while you kick the rest of them in HtH... then take care off the irnobreakers (or whatever) If you have rat swarms, sic them on the slayers... ot shoot them. Or both. |
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| Kraven Tailblade | 14th August 2004 - 10:28 PM Post #7 |
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Loyal servant of the Great Horned One
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I am an ex-Dwarf player of many years. I have fought the Skaven on numerous occasions. I sold out the Dwarfs to join the master race! Dwarfs are very SLOW! MV3 but they can always march,no march blocking. His blocks of infantry will probably be close and support each other. Use Gutter runners/scouts to attack war machines.Don't charge Thunderers with Nightrunners and think its an easy win. He can move and still shoot and +1 hit at short range. Light armor and shields will give 4+ armor save too. Add in WS4 and T4 and you are in trouble. Every Dwarf is at least LD9. You will win most combats by CR ,not kills. Have full ranks ,standard and outnumber. Do your best to negate his ranks!! That is how you will win! Skirmishers will not negate rank bonus.Giant rat packs would be great or this,but you don't have any. Use packs of Rat ogres(at least 2 per pack) or hold the enemy with swarms and then flank him. Flee when charged to break up his battle line so he can't support his units. NEVER fight one on one. Almost any Dwarf unit,even Clansmen/warriors is more than a match for any Skaven unit. Let us know how it goes. Post a battle report. May the Great Horned One bless your dice!! |
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| Kraven Tailblade | 14th August 2004 - 11:07 PM Post #8 |
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Loyal servant of the Great Horned One
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If you really want to be sneaky go to the biggest Dwarf website around "Bugman's Brewey" and spy. He might even have an army list posted! "know your enemy!" |
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| Snorkel | 15th August 2004 - 09:22 AM Post #9 |
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Can you post a link? I have read the tactic of breaking the enemy's line before and it's quite handy! I think I will take 2 tunellers and one unit of scouts for his machines. The only thing I fear is destroying my weapon teams with his Stone Thrower and panicking the nearby units! |
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| Sammy the Squid | 19th August 2004 - 12:27 PM Post #10 |
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Back to retirement!
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the Dwarf Slayer is great against normal dwarf warriors, but in a challange against a dwarf lord, my skaven lord got mashed to a bloodied pulp!!! Though he did last a while because of his 6+ ward. Tunnelers would be good, but in my game against dwarfs they scattered far away from the main fight. And watch out of the dwarfs firepower! IT HURTS!!! Use screens to block it from your main units... |
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| Snorkel | 22nd August 2004 - 11:53 AM Post #11 |
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I played the battle a couple of days ago and it turned up a massacre for the ratlings. It was humiliating! He got 144 pts by killing one Ratling with his Stone Thrower, half a unit of Slaves and another Ratling that missfired! On the other hand aI got about 2800 pts with the table quorters and stuff! I just love the Sacred Standard... , I got it to the flank with 2 Rat Ogres and run his entire battleline auto-breaking all his units except the Slayers. I just hate them! |
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| Sammy the Squid | 22nd August 2004 - 11:56 AM Post #12 |
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Back to retirement!
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How on earth did you do that???? WELL DONE!!! Share your secrets please! |
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"If the squidman can't do it, no one can!!" Wins/Losses/Draws Skaven Clan Rattenkrieg - 108/58/20 Dark Elves - 44/14/8 Hochland Empire - 33/14/4 Malkavian Vampires - 23/22/4 Beastmen - 50/25/2 Have not completed a Painting Vow since July 07!! | |
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| Snorkel | 22nd August 2004 - 02:24 PM Post #13 |
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1.I had 3 Tunelling teams: by the end of turn 2 I had two war engines busy/destroyed by an overrun. 2.I had him surrounded (I have a horde army and I fielded 220 models) and shot with my Ratlings. 3.He was expecting magic heavy army and I had 4 Warrior characters. 4.Stick a 25 strong Clanrat unit on the Flank cooperating with 2 Raat Ogre packs end watch them break any foe automatically. 5.OK I admit he had also two missfires(nothing special)but anyway there were a lot more coming (220 models!). 6.Only 3 of my units engaged close combat and my tunellers, who killed three Runesmiths (he charged me!!). I haven't used the Sacred Standard before (4 Wizzards ) but from now on it's a must in my army! 7/0/0 |
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| Kraven Tailblade | 22nd August 2004 - 02:31 PM Post #14 |
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Loyal servant of the Great Horned One
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Congrats on your victory. Post a battle report so everyone can see what happened. I guess alot of Skaven have trouble with Dwarfs,so it might help. The combined charge is the way to go. |
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| Deathmaster Mik | 22nd August 2004 - 08:01 PM Post #15 |
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*buzzerrrrr* Sorry.. wrong there; the fear-causer must have a higher Unit Strenght then the opponent it beats. The 25 clanrats don't make a difference. Yes.. overall you will almost certain have a higher US (and gain +1 CR), but you only count the rat-ogres for the auto-break... if the rat-ogres don't have a higher Unit Strenght then your opponent he must take a break-test as normal.. sorry to bring the bad news.. (don't shoot the messenger).. Cool you won though! You learn something new every time
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