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Topic Started: 11th August 2004 - 12:59 PM (547 Views)
WolfBlade
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alright, the change armything from saterday still stands. But this evening I'm gonna battle the same best of the club. I play with my ratty skaven. and he with Thomb Kings. Now thats not his real army (he uses HE models the field it) and he only has the army book. Now my and his excperience with TK is the same. Its the best of our city (yes he is) and he beat everyone he fights. The only time he has lost was against a very excperienced GW store guy. So both our expercine is to been kicked ass by this guy. And for that I think he is gonna use the same tactic as this master TK player.

Its going to be a 1,5 battle and this is what I Expect:

Liche Priest
Liche Priest
Thomb Prince (I Guess in chariot)

3 Ushabti
some chariots (3 or 5)
bowmen (10)
screaming skull catapult
maybe some thomb guard (20)

And ofcourse swarms or/and tomb schropions with: it came from below.

I think he will play defensive, so I will go offensive. Can someone help me?
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Well one thing I've learned from fighting Tomb Kings is you have to protect your leadership, that's what they'll go for. They suck in combat, and a solid regiment of 30 clanrats can run through many times their points worth of skeletons if unchecked, so most TK players will try to strike your leadership. Large units of anything are essential, I recommend clanrat units in sizes of about 30 (don't bother giving them a champ, though a Standard and Musician will be useful). If you can, get a seer, as he will shut down your opponent's magic (liche priests aren't too good), and maybe an Engineer for kicks. Ratling guns do wonders against these guys, some decent rolls and you can completely take out his ushabti in a turn of two. Poison Wind Globadiers are useless against such low armoured units, and to take them is madness and a waste, so don't bother. Plague Monks with x2 Hand Weapons and Banner of Burning Hatred (backed by a couple of Censer Bearers if you can field it) will carve right through him, he doesn't have a hope against them (add a plague priest with a censer Bands of Power and watch him go through that Tomb King like a knife through butter). Due to your speed, you should be fine for manouverability, and should find it not too hard to flank his units and rob them of their ranks (when you strike against stuff like skeletons, do it with force; they won't run, but if you keep beating him badly, the regiment will kill itself off). So hit him hard, and from all angles whenever possible, and watch your leadership, that's where he'll try to get you! Best of Luck.
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Chieftain Skittar
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The key to beating a Tomb king army is in the magic phase.

Don't try and dispell everything, just his movement spells and if he tries to shoot his Screaming Skull twice. Stop him doing that and you,ve got him beat.


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WolfBlade
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I've made a fast list:

Plague priest (general, 2nd hand wepaon, band of powers)
1 warlock (all stuff except pistol, dispel scroll, storm daemon)
1 warlock (all stuff except pistol, dispel scroll)

30 Clanrats (full command, ratling gun)
30 Clanrats (full command)
25 Slaves (musican)
3 Ratswarms [I hope His chariots don't wipe them out in one attack, otherwise I can make nasty flank charges)

3 Rat Ogres
5 Gutter Runners (tunnelings team)
19 Plague Monks (full command, 2nd hand wepaon, umbranner)

7 Censer Bearers

Points: 1499
Models: 129
Casting Pool: 6
Dispel pool: 4 (+2 Dispel Scrolls)

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Use anything and everything yo have to kill the Head Hierophant.
Scouts,tunnel teams,assassins,skitterleap.
Once he dies the army starts to crumble and he's not a killing machine like a Vampre count.
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Jackety
FEAR THE LEMMING!
Use an Assassin, a Priest, and a Engineer. Fry his cav/ushatabi as fast as possible.
Give the Priest a PCB, make him by himself, and go hunt down those Priests!
Use the Assassin with Warpstone Throwing Stars. Hunt down the priests. (No scitter leap, so scout.)
Use the engineer to fry, and fry, and fry. Don't bother with a dispel scroll: TK magic sucks.
Dispel scary charges, extra shooting, and revival. (I hate that damn revival...)
4 dispel dice might not be enough to do the trick, so if worst comes to worst, think about giving the Priest the Liber Broncitus. However its spelled...
He'll get around 3 cast spells a turn, two at 2D6, one at 1D6. And then the bound items...
And use a rattling. Cuts though those suckers like cheese.
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Dabbling GM. Clanrat loon. 6th Edition Aficionado. Bitter.

im fighting a TK opponent soon, i know he's gonna use a unit of 4 chariots, a unit of 3 chariots, four ushatabi and a bone giant.

i've got an assassin with warpstone stars (hoping on my seer skitterleaping him on turn 2 or 3....)

two rattlings (ushatabi? what ushabati?)

but how can i slow down the bone giant/chariots? i have a six-base strong rat swarm, but i don't know which unit to stop first. i need to stop the giant so my seer (with a headsplitter) can get a couple hits on it, but the 7 chariots have got me worried, how can i stop em? i dont have a wlc, i have 170 clannies 50 slaves, shall i just try using a single unit of clanrats to draw the chariots off or what? he has NO carrion, so no worries about them, and how the hell do i kill tomb scorps?
(2500 point battle by the way.....)

sorry if this has all been asked before, but i need to know....
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FEAR THE LEMMING!
Hmm...
The Bone Giant...
Several ways to kill it.
A: Head Spliter. Stay out of range, wack it dead.
B: Jezzials. Blow it up.
C: Bands of Power, or halting it.

As for the Chariots...

A) More rat swarms.
B) Jezzials.
C) WLC.
D) Bands of Power.
E) Rat Ogres.

Good luck against the dead-things!

Also, use combat res against the Scorps. Their unit strength is only 4, so don't worry about the flank/rear charges. Works very well in my experence.
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hmm do i give my warlock engineer bands o power, or brass orb? man i need some jezzails.....
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FEAR THE LEMMING!
Warlock engineer...and bands of power...
WHAT IN THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU!?
That is the MOST useless combination!
He's WS3!
Why not take a Cheiftain with it! Or a Master Moulder!? Or better yet, an Assassin!!
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LMAO!! yeah, no BoP for engineer!!! And the way to kill bone giants is to attack them with a fully ranked up unit, and make sure you charge. They will crumble very, very quickly! I know, Ive seen it done with similar units!
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I lost a Minor Victory, but I learnt much more abut my own army. This is like how it was:

He has:
3 Ushabti
3 Ushabti (I first thought it were thomb swarms :P )
25 Skelleton spearmen
10 bowmen
thomb schropion
2 Liche Priest
1 Tomb King (Chariot)
3 Chariots
1 Screaming skull catapult

I had:
1 Plague Priest
2 warlocks
30 Clanrats (full command, ratlin gun)
30 Clanrats (full command)
25 slaves (musican)
3 rat ogres
3 ratswarms
19 monks
7 Censer bearers.
5 Tunnelers

I had turn one. Moved my ratswarms at full speed inthe derection of his chariot. Rat Ogres fellowing them but stayed 2 inches after them. All other unit moved 10 inches forward. I used Lighting on his Catapult, destroyed 2 crews and wounded the catapult by 1. Then I used my other warplighting (dispelled). And to finish it the storm daemon. Wich did 6 hits! And killed the crew, and wounded the catapult one more time.

He Moved his chariots a little more forward, just like te rest of his force. De tried 2 times to resummen hes cataput. But to bad, I used both my dispel scrolls. Then he shot 2 Clanrats with his bowmen.

All my units moved 5 inched forward. I destroyed the catapult with magic. He charged my ratswarms, and thomb schropion charged my censer bearers. The ratswarms were killed in one time (Of my god!!!) and overrun into my rat ogres (their goes my plan!) The thomb scropion made his T test, and killed 4 Censer bearers <_< , they run of the table.

I charged the tomb schropion with my monks. And I charged his skellton spearmen with my clanrats. Underwile my Gutter runners had made it, and charged his heirophant!!! Killed it and ovverun into the rear of his spearmen. My rat ogres lost combat of the chariots and fleed. The monkd destroyed the tomb schorpion. And my ratlin gun shot at his ushabti ( I threw 2 times 2). My magic killed one ushabti. And wounded both my warlocks.

His chariots turned and now faced the flank of my slaves, with my warlock next to it! He tried to get extra movement, but lucky me dispelled it. Thanks to the leadership test, he was left with 1 bowmen, and 3 spearmen. But his ushabti charged the flank of my clanrats in combat with the skelleton spearmen. I won combat by one. So nothing happened. (the spearmen were destroyed). My monks were charged in their flank by his other ushabti. Lost combat and ran!!! Off the table.

My clanrats charged his last bowmen. Killed it and overrun into... nothing. his chariots charged my slave sin the front (their were turned) and won combat, ovverun them,... into my warlock engineer! No it wasmy turn. And I knew I shuld be a real skaven. I used my storm dameon en lighting on the chariot and my warlok. The warlock died. And I destroyed 2 chariots! My clanrats lost combat and ran. The usabti ovveerun the clanrats, and charged the gutter runners (fleeing) the trun after that (and they ran off the table).

My ratlin gun killed 1 other ushabti. And my clanrats moved out of the charge range of the other ushabti unit. To bad the chariot had left the table and when he cam e back could charge my warlock! I ran away but did't rally. My ratlin gun shot the chariot of the thomb king to hell. Now the Ushabti standing 2 inched for me charged me and I were ovverrun (damed fear test) End of the battle...

I was left with:

30 clanrats (full command)
1 fleeing warlock engineer

He was left with:

3 ushabti
2 ushabti
1 thomb king (wthout chariot)

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The bad thing was that his ushabti had Ld10! And with undead construct he only fails his Heirophant die thing on a 12!! and even then he only gets one wound,....
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man, i hate to tell you this, but your opponent was a big fat cheater.

i don't play TK but i have played against them and have their book.

if this was a 1.5k battle, he couldn't have taken a Tomb King (as opposed to the hero-level Tomb Prince), which is the only way he can make chariots from special to core (princes don't do this), which means he had too many special units.

it's very clearly stated on the top right of page 45 of the TK book.

also, adding up his units only gave me less than 1000 points. even if he gave full command and upgrades to the only units that can have them (chariots, spearmen, bowmen), plus upgrades for the prince, plus magic items (the 3 characters + banner for the chariot unit) he's barely over 1300 points.

where'd his other 200 points go?

no wonder he's hard to beat. he gets to make his own rules.
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