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Panic check from shooting; Clarification please...
Topic Started: 29th July 2004 - 08:57 PM (299 Views)
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When a unit takes 25% or more casualties from shooting, they have to make a panic check.

What about models like a giant? Do single multi-wound models need to make panic check when they suffer 25% or more wounds?

I thought no. That single models do not make this check, but my opponent though otherwise, we decided to just roll a die and continue on with the game, but I would like to know what your thoughts are on this situation.
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a "unit" has to take casualties, not mere wounds, from shooting, so a unit of a single model would never take a panic test just from getting hurt.
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That is exactly what I thought!
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Actually, the rules read 25% of models, so if a single packmaster in a unit of 2 Rat Ogres and 2 packmasters takes a panic check.
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Jul 29 2004, 04:27 PM
Actually, the rules read 25% of models, so if a single packmaster in a unit of 2 Rat Ogres and 2 packmasters takes a panic check.

vf and i are in agreement, he was just clearer :)

since we're on the subject, i actually like the misinterpretation better. i think panic from shooting/magic should be based on US, not models.

think of the situations where, under the current rule, no panic test is required but realistically seems plausible.

* a lord on a dragon has the dragon killed from under him. only the dumbest lords wouldn't be worried by this happening.
* a hydra gets zapped to one wound (from 6!) by jezzails. if they can break from combat without taking a wound (ranks, standard, etc), i think their self-preservation instinct would kick in here as well.

then the opposite application of the current rule seems odd.

* vf's unit of 2 rat ogres + 2 packmasters. so one packmaster dies, barely reducing the US from 11 to 10, but because it is 25% of the models, they panic. very lame. they already have a penalty if the packmasters die.

etc. comments?
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is it if you lose 25% of the ORIGINAL number of models, or the number of medels at the start of a turn?

eg:25 rats, first enemy shooting kills 5 bringing them down to 20, second enemy shooting kills five, this is 25% of the models in the unit at the start of the turn, so do they panic?

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25% of the number of models at the beginning of the shooting phase.
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no, the giant doesnt need a panic test.
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isn't the giant immune to phsicology (sp?) anyway?
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thats not the point. although most multi-wound monsters etc are immune to psyche, it was just an example. the question was if a multi-wound model takes wounds, does it need a panic test. the answer is no. discussion ended.
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