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Topic Started: 14th July 2004 - 02:42 PM (539 Views)
Moonlit Stairway
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What is usually good for a Warlord Clan player to do against Brettonians?
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Skaskrit Venomclaw
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The obvious answer is to bring along at least some tin-opener units. Jezzails, the Warplightning cannon and Plague Censer Bearers work great against knights.

Make sure you have plenty of troops to stop, delay and divert their assault. Use plenty of slave regiments, either to flee a charge and leave the knights stranded and vulnerable to a counter-charge, or to flee and send the knights off pursuing in the wrong direction. Use Ratswarms (without poison) to hold a unit of knights in one place whilst you shoot them and attack the flank.

Use Gutter Runners, Nightrunners and Tunnelling Teams to stop some knights marching and generally annoy them.

Make sure you do not concentrate too many points in one unit. A 30 strong Stormvermin block led by a warlord and the army standard with the Sacred Standard of the Horned Rat is just asking to be charged by a big unit of knights and losing loads of victory points. Despite all you do, chances are at one time or another, a unit of knights will successfully charge you in a situation where you can't flee. It's best to make sure no unit is so important to your plan you cannot survive it's loss.

Anyway, these are just some general hints. I hope they help.
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Don't let them charge and you will be fine. Tunneling Teams- use them to scare him into not advancing like he would otherwise.
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My advice is , as skaven never take on bretonnian :lol:
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strkeetdot
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DO NOT let him charge you with the lance formation! It will be a freight train going through you rats like butter! The only exception to this rule is this tatic, 20 slaves (I know its a small number buy listen) with Plague Censer Bearers behind the slaves 1" and 3" ahead of the Monks.

Code:
 
SLAVES
 xxxxx
 xxxxx
 xxxxx
 xxxxx

 PCB
X X X X
  X  X

             MONKS
              xxxxx
              xxxxx
              xxxxx

This allows the knights to charge the slaves, break through them and contact the PCB's  In the meantime you have been turning your monks.
     Knights
       b     b
        b   b
         bbb               Mxxx
       XXXXX PCB           Oxxx
                           Nxxx
                           Kxxx
                           Sxxx
now before they attack the Bret's have to test v/s plague, hopefully you will kill a couple there  The overrun of the Knights v/s PCB will take the knights into the Monks charge arc ( if you set them right)

         Knights
         b  b       Mxxx
         bbb        Oxxx
                    Nxxx
                    Kxxx
                    Sxxx


It is a complicated setup, but I have used it successfully.
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typo
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rat swarms also work well
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That's almost a perfect idea. :D

Now, if you set up the PCBs to the side (360 degree charge arc), then they can charge the knights in the flank after the knights charge the slaves, and follow up with the plague monks in the same side (in the same turn). That will be a slaughter.
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typo
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The easiest way to beat the rock hard lance is to utilize their HUGE flanks. Tie them up with ratswarms, or PCB and then simultaniously hit them in the flank with a strong unit of monks or Stormvermin.
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I hope this Board isn't evil about my language... holy...shit!! I hadn't even remotely contemplated that type of formation in any way, strkeetdot. Wow, thank you all so much, maybe that shmuck I play will suffer this time around, haha. B)
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strkeetdot
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Now, if you set up the PCBs to the side (360 degree charge arc), then they can charge the knights in the flank after the knights charge the slaves, and follow up with the plague monks in the same side (in the same turn). That will be a slaughter.


oohhhh..... Or an opposite side pincher movement catching them between the Monks and PCB's!

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hadn't even remotely contemplated that type of formation in any way,

I tend to use slaves in this fashion v/s Brets/Empire knights make them take the charge knowing they will die and setting the unit up for a bigger attack with the mentioned units or even weapon teams/PWG's
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oohhhh..... Or an opposite side pincher movement catching them between the Monks and PCB's!


I'd like to suggest this, but I don't think you could arrange the 3 inch separation so that the knights don't hit the PCBs. But 2 in the flank, or even 1 in the flank and 1 in the front, well, that's the way, uh huh, uh huh, I like it.

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If you use a Grey Seer, then you can skitterleap a Chieftain with a Brass Orb behind their lines on the first turn. You can take out most of a unit of knights if the brass orb works, and u cant be attacked next turn, allowing u to run to the trebuchet or archers, and mincing them. The unit of knights will be more points than the chieftqin, so anything extra that u kill is bonus. This tactic (along with a warp-lightning cannon wiping out more knights) allowed me to massacre a Bretonnian army, only lossing a few models (about 10 clanrats)!!!



By the way, this tactic has got me 2 SoC wins.
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I hate those bretonnian knights.
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Chieftain Skittar
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Jezzails, weapon teams and lots of slave's. he won't be so eager to charge if he starts taking heavy casualties especially if you cackle insanely everytime you kill some of your own ratties.

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Snorkel
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The way I have made two massacres on Brettonians is 25 models strong clanrats and slaves and lots of them. Try having him charge your slaves, make the overrun
and throw some Death Globes a couple of Ratling Guns and your Warlocks on it.
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