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Warlock Positioning
Topic Started: 8th July 2004 - 11:40 PM (543 Views)
Chieftain Skittar
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Hey fellow Ratmen

Chieftain Skittar is wondering(again), Where should i position my Warlocks?

In units, near units, roaming on their own, hiding behind a tree?


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strkeetdot
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Near units, so they cannot be targeted
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Snikkit
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Behind whatever cover possible(trees, hills, friendly units), use units as much as possible, so you can still cast spells at them without fear of targeting, unless they have something that can.......
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typo
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Just keep him near a big unit so he cannot be targeted, between two would be better so he cant be charged though
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Gwydyon
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I find that putting him near a unit of Gutter Runners is nice. Death Globes need to be close, so do throwing stars. Makes logical sense to me.
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Snikkit
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But gutter runners are more apt to flee than clanrats or stormvermin or plague monks, he later 2 more as SV's armor and the PM's toughness reduce casualties.....
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Gwydyon
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More likely to run but not much more. And to hit them with anything, they have to be in LOS. I love running them in circles around units and shooting poisoned throwing stars at them. Throw in your odd Death Globe and up to 3D6 S5 hits and that unit won't last very long. Hell, I'm Skaven. If my rats survive their own weapons I'm happy. I don't have time to care about the enemy's weapons. :) PM are iffy. They can easily be lured away by a clever general, leaving you coverless. I guess it just comes down to how I play. Just like with my Tau in 40k. I play really aggressive, getting as close as I can. Most people tell me I'm nuts. But it works. People either freak out or underestimate you when you run at them with units that you "aren't supposed to do that with".
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typo
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I play really aggressive, getting as close as I can. Most people tell me I'm nuts. But it works. People either freak out or underestimate you when you run at them with units that you "aren't supposed to do that with".


I am idsactly the same way, many people tell me that my playing style doesnt fit skaven, but hey, if it aint broke dont fix it :)
That pesky warmachine keeping you down, or is that combat monster destroying your army? NEVER FEAR... ESHIN IS HERE


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A special note. If your opponent is using the Sea Patrol Elf list, put all heroes in units. You'll still lose the weapons teams, but at least you'll still have a magic phase.
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dastardly elves and their arrows. correct me if I'm wrong but I think they fixed that extra round of shooting so that you have to shoot at each of the opponents units once before you can target a unit for a second time. If that's the case then it IS possible for exalted daemons to survive the not-quite-first-turn.

back on topic, I put a WE in with my clanrats with his pistol str 5 -3 as is REALLY nice, I also have a second one running around, hiding in trees and what not, although making him run straight at the enemy and dancce around and march block is really quite hilarious, I should try that :ph43r: Dev
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You are correct, that was added. They still have enough pre-turn shooting to take out all weapon teams and lone characters, and hurt your GRs and NRs.
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gorod
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well yeah, but at least they won't COMPLETELY destroy your 180 point unit of gutter runners, weapons teams...well there's nothing that can be done for them. thx fang
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dastardly elves and their arrows. correct me if I'm wrong but I think they fixed that extra round of shooting so that you have to shoot at each of the opponents units once before you can target a unit for a second time. If that's the case then it IS possible for exalted daemons to survive the not-quite-first-turn.
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You are correct, that was added. They still have enough pre-turn shooting to take out all weapon teams and lone characters, and hurt your GRs and NRs.

Well I'm sorry if I'm taking this away from subject but I must ask: What is this? If I'm guessing this correcly it sounds sweet. But could somebody please explain.
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Jul 9 2004, 04:45 AM
Well I'm sorry if I'm taking this away from subject but I must ask: What is this? If I'm guessing this correcly it sounds sweet. But could somebody please explain.

Well, I don't have the book with me, and I didn't spend much time looking at the Sea Patrol, but I think that if you have a Sea King (or whatever he's called, they're all elves to me) then all of your archer units, bolt throwers and whatever they call their Shadow Warriors get a free shot at the enemy before the first turn, which isn't affected by the normal rules (i.e. you can target characters or single models that are within 3" of another unit).
That's what I think it is, anyone care to confirm/correct that?

Sorry for going off topic
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vasquisk
Jul 9 2004, 11:17 AM
Well, I don't have the book with me, and I didn't spend much time looking at the Sea Patrol, but I think that if you have a Sea King (or whatever he's called, they're all elves to me) then all of your archer units, bolt throwers and whatever they call their Shadow Warriors get a free shot at the enemy before the first turn, which isn't affected by the normal rules (i.e. you can target characters or single models that are within 3" of another unit).
That's what I think it is, anyone care to confirm/correct that?

It's almost 100% accurate.

the Sea Lord is 'Master of the Mist' (special rule). When an elf player puts him in his army, he is automatically the General and besides all the things that are said above, the extra shooting turn isn't affected by negative modifiers.
This means that long range -1 penalty doesn't apply.. neither does shooting at single character, but the shooter does benefit from large target bonusses etc. :(

So.. this can really REALLY hurt your characters and weapon teams. The character problem is easily solved by deploying them in units, cause they cannot be targetted there (the unit can be targeted ofcourse). But the problem with the weapon teams is just.. yuckus. They always deploy within 3' from the parent unit.. and destroyed units by shooting within 4' cause a panic test to surrounding units.

I also thought that any target can only be shot at ONCE during this extra shooting turn. That means the elven army cannot concentrate all their shooting at one unit, but must spread it's fire. I thought this was an errata. Thats all I know.

Word of advice: NO weapon teams versus this army.. just big blocks.
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