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Stormvermin.Good or bad?; Is Stormvermin a useful unit in battle?
Topic Started: 29th June 2004 - 05:54 PM (1,173 Views)
mero
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Yo,

I'm thinking of buying some Stormvermin and is wondering if they are any good or not and how many should i purchase. Please help :(
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Personally ther one of my favorite units and they usually work well for me. I field 23 tih command and umberrer banner, no shield with my general (a warlord) in the unit.
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Hi, right now in my 2000 point list i use 24 with FC and shields with a chieftain. They ahve worked absoloute wonders for me. I would definately recommend them (add the warbanner too)
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Chieftain Skittar
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Hmmm Mero,

Names familiar, is that short for Merovech.

Stormvermin, lovely models, best fighters we have, but will a large unit of clanrats do the same job?


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Cypher19
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I love em :wub:
for 2 more points than clanrats you get:
1: heavy armor
2:halberds
3:1 more ld
4:1 more ws
5:magic standard
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... and they look bad ass
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and don't forget the extra initiative ;)
I use stormvermin all the time as a hard hitting unit. especially in great numbers they work devastating.
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Jun 30 2004, 12:48 AM
and don't forget the extra initiative ;)
I use stormvermin all the time as a hard hitting unit. especially in great numbers they work devastating.

That's how I use em too. As a nasty brick. Tooled out and ready to kill. Im hoping to end up with a unit of 30 soon (only 6 away). I've had people weary of them BECAUSE their unit size is smaller than most of the other units I have.

the thing to bear in mind, I feel, is that while they ARE a hard, especially for the Skaven, they're not even close compared to the forces available to a lot of the other amies. Like all Children of the Horned Rat, they need to be used properly or they'll flee off of the table as fast as Slaves on a Coffee break.


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If a screaming bell where included in the army, would Stormvermin be put to better use accompanying it, or would it be better for the Stormvermin to fight as their own separate unit?

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the generally short range of skaven spells means the bell should get close anyway. if stormvermin push (and immunity to psych helps them stick around) make sure either flank of them is solid as well.

the only drawback to sv and a bell is that with sv especially, you want as many of them in the front rank as possible. with the bell taking up 2 spots (at least my 5th ed version), at 6 wide that's only 4 sv, 1 of them a champion. as crazy as it might sound, i'd go 7 or 8 wide ;).
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Good advice, phordicus.

I tend to not have Stormvermin push the bell. I leave that up to a fat unit of Clanrats with spears. That way, the Stormvermin aren't tied down by the bell and I have 2 nastier units on the table instead of one, supreme target for cannon fire.
I find it works better for me that way. Not having all my rats in one litter, so to speak.



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I use 15 with shields and full command, I get the extra punch vs knights, or the better save v/s foot troops. Plus due to the fact that they don't fall to missile fire as easy as clanrats they can bring a weapon team closer to combat! ^Warpfire^
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Cypher19
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I use 15 with shields and full command, I get the extra punch vs knights, or the better save v/s foot troops.  Plus due to the fact that they don't fall to missile fire as easy as clanrats they can bring a weapon team closer to combat! ^Warpfire^

I use 15 aswell, but, I realy want 10 more, that extra rank bonus is esential.

DO NOT have you sv push the bell. One simple season: you want your sv in cc and not your bell.
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i use a reg of 30 with bsb in 2k. i havent tryed them ouit yet but on paper they look good.
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Hmm. I think Stormvermin are overrated.

Never, in all the many battles of my Skaven army, have the Stormvermin achieved anything an equally sized regiment of clanrats could not have. They die more easily than Clanrats unless they use a shield. They only inflict slightly more damage, and against some opponents actually cause fewer wounds than clanrats with spears. They cost 8-9 points as opposed to 5-6. Their one undeniable advantage is the option to carry a magical banner. I do not think Stormvermin are ever really worth their price in a Skaven army.

However, I never leave home without them. The models look very impressive, they are characterful, and some opponents seem to think they are actually dangerous.

Also, they can give you a bit of an edge against tougher troops. I once fought a Skaven army with my Dwarfs, and managed to charge his Stormvermin with my Hammerers and general. I won the first round massively, but they passed their leadership test on 5. I lapped around. Next round, the Stormvermin struck first with halberds. Six Hammerers were slain. (9 attacks) Then my Thane general failed his 1+ armour save. Next the Stormvermin pursued into the flank of my warriors. End of battle.
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