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Unit of 1 Rat Ogre; Would the fear work?
Topic Started: 28th June 2004 - 10:21 PM (1,667 Views)
Shiva
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If you had an emeny unit fighting your clanrats, could you charge a 1 pack rat orge unit in, win the combat and have him break because he was outnumbered by a fear causing emeny?
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Antherak_173
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Only if enemy US less than 3, as rat ogre is us 3. (clanrats and packmaster don't cause fear)
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what an interesting concept...

ya know, single rat ogre packs could be used very effectively at killing/breaking lone characters. think of this:

instead of a unit of 3 rat ogres, a very tasty missile target, you field 3 solo units. granted, that's taking up 3 special slots so i'm gonna abandon this idea now.
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:D

You caught onto my argument, and resolved it before I could reply. :D

But units of 2 Rat Ogres...

Would probably still bite. :D
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The concept of using units of 1 RO + packmaster as bump stops and redirectors is not original, and has been used with about as much success as you might expect.

One of those things you do when you are dying to get rat ogres on the pitch to work for you, but cant or wont get the bigger units to work.
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i to this day have actually not found a very good use for rat ogres, but as someone else mentioned, they might be effective at breaking lone characters and small units (5)
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man, this is getting to me. now i want to try it (again). ya know, those mounted annoyances of bretonnia don't have superior Ld.
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Ehm... might work if your COMPLETE unit strength (so from all the units in combat) is more than your opponents. So, a big unit of clanrats combined with a single rat ogre pack can indeed do the trick since it is a fear-causing unit.

At least in theory... since you need to have more US fear... right?
I'm confused now...

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Jun 29 2004, 09:01 AM
Ehm... might work if your COMPLETE unit strength (so from all the units in combat) is more than your opponents. So, a big unit of clanrats combined with a single rat ogre pack can indeed do the trick since it is a fear-causing unit.

At least in theory... since you need to have more US fear... right?
I'm confused now...

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Yes, that's the idea. The qestion is then- for fear purposes, do you use the unit strength of the whole combat, or the unit strength of the fear causing unit?
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Only the US of the fear causing unit counts for auto-break.
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Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
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Bunny ear says flop

So then one rat ogre pack wouldn't work... not even for flanking. Big clanrat units with 2 (!!!) rat ogre packs in the flank would have to do it then!

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I've tried Rat Ogres in 1, 2, and 3 packs.

I really prefer the 2 packs. For the following reasons:

1. They are only 100 pts.
2. They have a unit strength of 8, so on a flank/rear charge that take away ranks.
3. They are much more maneuverable than 3.
4. With only 2, they are less of a target than a three pack.

Rat Ogres are a good, fast support unit that should never be used to take on a unit by themselves. Use their movement to get them deep on the flanks, turn towards the center of the table, and charge in! Don't count on their fear to auto break a unit, you would need 5 to get a US of 20 and have any hope of that.

Hit them in the flank when they are hit in the front by a unit of clan rats and watch the combat resolution stack up:

3: ranks
1: outnumber
1: banner
1: flank (or 2 rear)

And you are up by 6 (5 if they have a banner) then attack with 6 S 5 attacks and 2 S3 + the clan rats 6 S3. Your opponent will be HARD pressed to win combat at this point.
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BorgtheSmall
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Clarify:

If the Rat Ogres are in a combat, and win, does their unit strength get used in outnumber, or the whole combat (like a companion clanrat group)?


e e e e
e e e e RO
e e e e
e e e e RO
c c c c c
c c c c c
c c c c c
c c c c c

Where c = clanrat, RO = rat orgre, e = enemy.
So, if rats win, then e > RO but c > e, does that count as outnumber for the Rat Ogre fear?
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