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Ratling Gun; Do the math...
Topic Started: 7th June 2004 - 11:47 AM (869 Views)
Shiva
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Hello everyone. I just thought i might share the results of my little probibilty frenzy last night.

Ratling Gun

# of dice Theroedical Hit (without misfires) Misfire %

1_______________3.5________________________ 0
2 ______________ 7 ________________________16.6
3 _____________10.5 _______________________30.5
4 _____________ 14_________________________72.2



Number of wounds chart (Theoredical Average)

# of dice________T3 4+ unit___T4 4+ unit____T3 none____T3 1+ armor save
(without misfire)

1_________________1.94_______1.45_________2.31_______.76
2_________________3.88_______2.9__________4.62_______1.16
3_________________5.81_______4.35_________6.93_______1.74
4 ________________7.67_______ 5.8__________9.24_______3.04


Notes on using- Best used against smaller units, will rarely break a 20 strong unit of chaos warriors. Also excellent for attacking skirmishers as they usually wear little armor and the ratling gun doesn't need BS to hit. The relibilty of this wepon must be qestioned, particularily if the player roll 4 dice often.
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Syzor
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I can see a few mistakes in the numbers.
3rd dice = 33%
4th dice = 50%
Also id put chaos knights T4 2+sv in there.
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Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
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Hmm... never use mathematics in the ratling gun. But believe me, a whooping 13 shots (how funny) can indeed shoot a big unit of Chaos Warriors to pulp.

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Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
Jun 8 2004, 01:41 AM
Hmm... never use mathematics in the ratling gun. But believe me, a whooping 13 shots (how funny) can indeed shoot a big unit of Chaos Warriors to pulp.

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if they're chosen, you'll only average about 3 kills (13 hits, wound on 4, save on 5).
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Jun 7 2004, 07:40 AM
I can see a few mistakes in the numbers.
3rd dice = 33%
4th dice = 50%
Also id put chaos knights T4 2+sv in there.

For the 4th dice, it would be 72%. Trust me i made a 8 page long tree chart. It's 72%

Ok, yes the ratling gun can pulp Chaos Warriors, but it will not happen 50% of the time you shoot the gun.
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Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
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phordicus
Jun 8 2004, 03:32 AM
Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
Jun 8 2004, 01:41 AM
Hmm... never use mathematics in the ratling gun. But believe me, a whooping 13 shots (how funny) can indeed shoot a big unit of Chaos Warriors to pulp.

Greetz

if they're chosen, you'll only average about 3 kills (13 hits, wound on 4, save on 5).

tough 4 okay... but save on 5+? Chosen chaos warriors have a 4+ save, so that would be 6+ after modifiers... Might not be that hard (and yes, my dice-rolls were lucky that moment :rolleyes: )

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Shiva
Jun 8 2004, 06:51 AM
For the 4th dice, it would be 72%. Trust me i made a 8 page long tree chart. It's 72%


It would be 72% if you rolled all dice at once. But you only roll the fourth dice if the previous three didn't include any doubles. (ie didn't misfire) Therefore the chance of scoring a misfire when rolling the fourth dice is a flat 50%. (There are three numbers out of six that will result in a misfire)
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Deathmaster Dave
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i hate my ratling in the last three games its done the following:

game 1: blown up first turn (on second roll)
game 2: blown up first turn (on second roll)
game 3: second turn misfire span around shot the side of his clan rat mates killed 11 made the unit run off the board and then thrid turn blow up
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Skaven Lord Vinshqueek
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Bunny ear says flop

:lol:
sounds more like my warpfire thrower...

Shiva,
did you also looked at 'luck' as in the practicing of rolling dice?

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i love warpfire throwers there my favourite peace of equipment in the skaven army list
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my ratling gun fired upon my brothers empire swordsman unit cauzing 6 wounds, then they failed their leadership test (within range of their Ld 8 captain) and scored a 12" on the flee run... after not rallying again on his second turn, off the board they went sprinting for their lives...he was not happy

(he cheered up a bit when in a vote of good sportsmanship i purposly made it explode)

in my experience, the ratling gun is extremely effective
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grendel23
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hurts my brain does from too many numbers!
just shoot the damn thing!
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yeh

dont think im taking a stab at u shiva, but i absolutely hate it when my opponent starts calculating the probability of something happening

i think the ratling gun was designed to make the games more interesting
i mean half my games would be pretty standard if it wasnt for the ratling gun wiping out a unit or blowing up in a dazzling display of warpstoney wonder

i kill myself laughing when my ratling gun (or any unit) does something stupid
the games supposed to be fun...dont ruin it by turning it into skool
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Shiva
Jun 8 2004, 06:51 AM

For the 4th dice, it would be 72%. Trust me i made a 8 page long tree chart. It's 72%

Ok, yes the ratling gun can pulp Chaos Warriors, but it will not happen 50% of the time you shoot the gun.

Ohhh, i see.

I was thinking that it would misfire 72% of the dice if you rolled them all at once. Yes it would be 50% on just the 4th dice.

My bad
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ratling guns are not made to be calculated but to be fired/misfired.
the misfire where the team fires in random is btw the funiest thing my army can do. I once shot my own general with a ratling gun misfire which sent neraly all of my troops(including the ratling gun) fleeing off the table. I lost that game, but it was deffinately the one where I had to laugh the most.
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