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Proposal: A Pretty Big Plot Shift
Topic Started: Nov 18 2013, 07:02:06 AM (1,031 Views)
NemesisZeru
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Darknaut9
Nov 22 2013, 07:09:45 PM
Now this is interesting stuff to want me to return to Leareth. I was thinking two things could have happened for him.

A)Due to his growing power before the reset, Ouranos made it so Leareth was bound to the god, making him a kind of 'bodyguard' for Ouranos in the main city. Of course, his memories would also have been locked away, causing him to forget his hatred and sorrows and the evils he committed, so he would be a willing aid to the man, though somewhat confused.

B)Similar to above, Leareth was bound, but this time into a 'mortal' form. He would think he's a human, but something inside him would always be hinting at some greater destiny. His memories forgotten, Leareth would have all this anger and sorrow that he couldn't explain, frustrating him even more.

On a side note, how would his relationship with Milly be? Would they have forgotten each other, never having met since the Jin Dao fight was changed by Ouranos's change to history?

Edit: I also don't think Leareth would have ever been let out of the armor. He was let out after the Four Fiends were defeated and Rabist appeared.
My question is how Yukina and Lilia would work into this, really. Since Lilia is Leareth's daughter, I'm not entirely sure how it'd all work. Especially if he's human now, which means he wouldn't have been around before Izuno(Nor would Lilia be the weird sorta hybrid she is now). I'm pretty sure everyone would like to avoid removing characters from existence, I just dunno how it'd work now. :/
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How would that effect Lilia? :o
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Leareth wouldn't be a true human, Zeru. His body's angelic traits have been suppressed to such a level that he appears to be human.

And for JD: I would like option B, too. I think I would rather have him a part of the Church, since he'd be trying to break the stereotype his armor brings him and the anger that his soul has. So, he'd be much more studious than he was before, spending time in the libraries searching for an answer to his inner turmoil.

As for Milly, since he'd be in the library quite often and would hold a higher rank, he'd appear to be the perfect candidate for that gullible, yet powerful, individual who could help her move forward with her plans.

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Darknaut9
Nov 22 2013, 09:22:48 PM
Leareth wouldn't be a true human, Zeru. His body's angelic traits have been suppressed to such a level that he appears to be human.

And for JD: I would like option B, too. I think I would rather have him a part of the Church, since he'd be trying to break the stereotype his armor brings him and the anger that his soul has. So, he'd be much more studious than he was before, spending time in the libraries searching for an answer to his inner turmoil.

As for Milly, since he'd be in the library quite often and would hold a higher rank, he'd appear to be the perfect candidate for that gullible, yet powerful, individual who could help her move forward with her plans.
Still doesn't answer the question of how Lilia'd work now. With Leareth not having existed back then(I think? Not sure on this), makes things sorta...awkward. Not to mention if he's stuck in his armor, how does he even...y'know... xP
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Mm, even he's having his memories sealed, eh? A shame.

I liked imagining as pissed off at everyone for failing when he tried his best to mold them all into winning.

But hey, who knows?

I too would go option B. Nice way to intergrate him.
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Zeru, he was sealed in his armor about 2-300 years before the events of The RP when he lost to Frey, so he would have been his normal self when he met Yukina.

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Darknaut9
Nov 23 2013, 10:17:15 AM
Zeru, he was sealed in his armor about 2-300 years before the events of The RP when he lost to Frey, so he would have been his normal self when he met Yukina.
Oh, okay. So basically nothing has to change for the whole Yukina x Leareth= Lilia thing. Awesome. x3
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Zeru, he was sealed in his armor about 2-300 years before the events of The RP when he lost to Frey, so he would have been his normal self when he met Yukina.


When I read this, I figure that Leareth has still been around for a long time, and hence has had many relationships. Milly is just his latest one. Hm...I do wonder how he broke it off with Yukina. Could be interesting.

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And for JD: I would like option B, too. I think I would rather have him a part of the Church, since he'd be trying to break the stereotype his armor brings him and the anger that his soul has. So, he'd be much more studious than he was before, spending time in the libraries searching for an answer to his inner turmoil.


Sounds good. I want to RP Milly as being more ambitious this time around, maybe a little less nice.

So let's talk about Michael. What kind of state do you guys think he would be in this time around? Shad, pipe in when you can. I'm thinking through his history a bit. He was a weapons dealer as Kyupo. Clint tried to force him out of business. He eventually turned himself into a human to evade capture as being affiliated with the group, right? And then he eventually rose through the ranks of Janus's army. He was a brilliant tactician, possibly inhuman in this regard (he was a moogle, after all).

We never did anything with moogles, though. They sort of disappeared as a thing. At this point, I think that's the aspect of his background to change first.He evolved a bit since becoming Michael Kurenai. What kind of alternate history could he have?

I like the weapons dealer aspect. I also like the tactical, overworked Michael. Part of me really, really needs him to still be a part of the military. Another part of me really wants to sort of tie that aspect together with the weapons dealer thing.

When I developed the Republic a bit more, I introduced the Burgei Corporation (or whatever) as their consortium of weapons manufacturers. They produced lancers that competed with Daetalus's lancer models. I like the lancers. I want to keep them.

What if Michael was a senior figure in the company that made Daetalus's first lancers, and Clint was a competitor in the Republic's weapons manufactures. That would stay true to their origins as rivals while integrating into the new ideas we've had.

Michael would have pioneered ways of using lancer technology in battle, and he would have done so early on. What if this was what allowed Daetalus to win the war earlier? They had lancers at the point they would have just have had hovertanks. Daetalus's dome would not have been broken, and they would have been on the defensive for most of the war.

Which would leave Clint defeated and humiliated, possibly in hiding. And that would leave Michael a hero of the military. Since the war is over, he could be a hero with nothing to do.

I had a thought. My setup for Frey is based on Attack on Titan a bit. What if Michael factored into that a little? Frey is the strongest soldier in Ouranos's scouting legion, which is tasked with scouting out the only realm to be unconquered by Ouranos. What if Frey declined the role as captain of this legion and instead asked Michael to lead it? This would make Michael the leader of the group that Nex, Frey, Guinevere, and lots of other characters are already a part of. It would also give you a way of putting him into the RP quickly. The people he was working with before (Jerome, Yuri, Alix, maybe even Clint) could be in his legion. They could be broken up into teams. Maybe that's how he's around Alix, Yuri, and Jerome. They're his "squad" or whatever.

That was the idea I had for this. Let me know what you think.
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Actually, Kyupo was a potion-maker, but there's no reason in another world he could be a weapons dealer/maker. He had always wanted to be an engineer, maybe he got to be one this time.

I also thought about if Michael could be human from the start, but... I don't know. It just felt weird to me.


Anyways, that sounds good to me.
Go, into the sand, and the dust, and the sky
Go now, there is no better plan than to do or to die
Free me, pray to the fayth in face of the light
Feed me, fill me with sin, and get ready to fight


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"Yes... I... I destroy... the world... and create it... anew..." ~ Lelouch vi Britannia's final words


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Nov 23 2013, 11:06:45 PM
Actually, Kyupo was a potion-maker, but there's no reason in another world he could be a weapons dealer/maker. He had always wanted to be an engineer, maybe he got to be one this time.

I also thought about if Michael could be human from the start, but... I don't know. It just felt weird to me.


Anyways, that sounds good to me.
Yeah, it might be easier to have Michael be a human from the start, but having him be a moogle can work too. We could do something with them later, maybe in Lemuria (Michael will be there eventually).

If that sounds good to you, that's good enough for me. I'll try to steer the group towards more characters (maybe Frey) sometime soon. Or you could try to intro Michael yourself. Nex is in his legion, so maybe he bumps into him and inquires as to what one of his subordinates is doing with a priest, the leader of the Sekihans, and others.
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So, had an idea for Ena's eventual fighting style...

Jean has some...Apocalypse magic, I think JD called it? That Ena could possibly learn. I'm thinking that, if Ena found the Kusanagi(A Sekihan relic hilt that aids the channeling of Sol, typically into a blade shape), and channel Sol and Apocalypse through it, it would be able to create a powerful blade, abet at the cost of slowly damaging the user. At first this combination would render the sword unusable for more then small amounts of time, but as the story went on, she'd basically learn Regen and be able to counteract this. Combined with the 'buff' spells she'd eventually learn(using healing magic to strengthen the muscles and whatnot to become stronger, faster,, etc), she'd be a potent, hard to kill swordswoman...with little actual blade skill.

Seems a little more interesting then the other idea I had. With a combination of her healing, ability to weaken enemies, and create barriers, she could be a potent team-players(abet she wouldn't be able to have those dramatic one on one fights. :P )
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NemesisZeru
Nov 24 2013, 03:23:38 AM
So, had an idea for Ena's eventual fighting style...

Jean has some...Apocalypse magic, I think JD called it? That Ena could possibly learn. I'm thinking that, if Ena found the Kusanagi(A Sekihan relic hilt that aids the channeling of Sol, typically into a blade shape), and channel Sol and Apocalypse through it, it would be able to create a powerful blade, abet at the cost of slowly damaging the user. At first this combination would render the sword unusable for more then small amounts of time, but as the story went on, she'd basically learn Regen and be able to counteract this. Combined with the 'buff' spells she'd eventually learn(using healing magic to strengthen the muscles and whatnot to become stronger, faster,, etc), she'd be a potent, hard to kill swordswoman...with little actual blade skill.

Seems a little more interesting then the other idea I had. With a combination of her healing, ability to weaken enemies, and create barriers, she could be a potent team-players(abet she wouldn't be able to have those dramatic one on one fights. :P )
I like this idea quite a lot, actually. And as she fights Jean, she may pick up some talent for the blade, at least enough to make this viable.
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Nov 24 2013, 10:12:30 PM
NemesisZeru
Nov 24 2013, 03:23:38 AM
So, had an idea for Ena's eventual fighting style...

Jean has some...Apocalypse magic, I think JD called it? That Ena could possibly learn. I'm thinking that, if Ena found the Kusanagi(A Sekihan relic hilt that aids the channeling of Sol, typically into a blade shape), and channel Sol and Apocalypse through it, it would be able to create a powerful blade, abet at the cost of slowly damaging the user. At first this combination would render the sword unusable for more then small amounts of time, but as the story went on, she'd basically learn Regen and be able to counteract this. Combined with the 'buff' spells she'd eventually learn(using healing magic to strengthen the muscles and whatnot to become stronger, faster,, etc), she'd be a potent, hard to kill swordswoman...with little actual blade skill.

Seems a little more interesting then the other idea I had. With a combination of her healing, ability to weaken enemies, and create barriers, she could be a potent team-players(abet she wouldn't be able to have those dramatic one on one fights. :P )
I like this idea quite a lot, actually. And as she fights Jean, she may pick up some talent for the blade, at least enough to make this viable.
I figured that'd be a balance for her, really: As strong as the Solpocalypse and enhancing spells make her, she's a subpar swordsman, and can be...outplayed, I guess? Like, a veteran swordsman could see her moves coming from a mile away, enhanced speed or not. :P
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JD, I think we almost touched on the possibility of Leareth having other descendants and stuff and came up with some secret organization bent on eliminating all hybrids that was killing his progeny.

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