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| Proposal: A Pretty Big Plot Shift | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 18 2013, 07:02:06 AM (1,033 Views) | |
| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 20 2013, 10:49:16 PM Post #16 |
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That's true, and until Ouranos actually showed up personally, his religion might have fallen on hard times. This would have given other beings a chance to try and build themselves up as gods, just as you said. Have you ever seen Stargate? I would imagine that the "gods" in this reset universe are a bit like the Goa-uld: they posed as gods and gained substantial power/followers, but they were a pale shadow compared to Ouranos (you could compare him to the Ancients from that series maybe, maybe). Just because he reappeared too doesn't mean they're not still around trying to get followers. It just makes things more difficult for them, especially if they lost one war against him. |
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 20 2013, 10:54:43 PM Post #17 |
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Eh. The whole bringing back Siema thing might not be that interesting. It might be best to try to RP him as a colder character. At least in a sense. He didn't achieve any kind of happiness in this world (Siema wouldn't have have time to admit any feelings for him, given that she was losing). So no marriage, no chance at happiness. With only a vague memory of achieving it in the other world, Vergel might be more inspired to simply find what COULD make him happy rather than just trying to return to the old order. That would probably be a more interesting way to go, I think. |
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| Spitz | Nov 20 2013, 11:09:11 PM Post #18 |
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Right, a bit extreme on my end of thinking, I guess. I dunno about making him colder though. It just seems like wasted character development if he goes back to that. I have ideas of him becoming obsessed over that one memory, to the point where it becomes the only one that matters to him, so much that he leaves tiger-lily petals at everything he does. I can see him striving for happiness easily enough while dealing with getting revenge. for Siema's death. |
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| NemesisZeru | Nov 20 2013, 11:17:58 PM Post #19 |
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I have not, sadly. Super behind on shows. lol I think I get what you're saying, though, and sounds like it'll work. :3 |
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 20 2013, 11:18:11 PM Post #20 |
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Maybe cold isn't the right word. I just don't know if obsession is the right approach to him. He's been pretty obsessed before, maybe not over a memory, but over one thing or another. I think trying to make him a more well-rounded characters this time around would be more interesting. Not necessarily blank slate stuff, but maybe more in touch with things like friends, goals (list a few of his goals here), and what matters to him most. Could you do anything more with his hometown? What about his friendship with Clint? There is also the angle of his job as a bounty hunter. Seems like in peacetime such a job wouldn't be as necessary in a lot of realms. A scouting legion job might make sense. That would put him in the same woods as Nex, Frey, etc. Might be a good place to start. It would mean he would be trying to become more mature under the guidance of people like Nex and Frey. He could be trying to learn from them. |
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 20 2013, 11:20:58 PM Post #21 |
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Yeah, I think it could work too. Just because they were defeated once doesn't mean they won't try to rise up again. And that would be interesting. They would be in a position that would make outright military conflict with the Empire undesirable, meaning they would have to fight for smaller things or settle with smaller goals. That could mean actually competing with Ouranos in terms of ideas or swaying people. Or maybe they work to take control of certain industries. Think of them as if they were organizing illuminati-like plots. Secret societies and whatnot. Could be interesting. |
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| Spitz | Nov 20 2013, 11:31:23 PM Post #22 |
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I could do more with his hometown if I had nothing else to grasp at, and his goals will change, and I'm not sure what to, hence why I'm discussing it. I think Happiness'll matter to him most, maybe love instead... I like that angle of thought about his former bounty hunter job Stick to what your good at; I suppose that'd be close enough. Him training under Frey and Nex would be nice, and maybe in exchange he could loosen them up a little. Clint... **** Clint. That's all I can think of in Vergel's mindset. I can see them being rivals the same as Moot and he. |
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 20 2013, 11:50:06 PM Post #23 |
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If love, romantic or otherwise, is going to be a big motivation for him, I suggest keeping his options open on that regard. Maybe he didn't have time in this reset world to develop a relationship with Siema. That would leave a lot of room for new possibilities for him, and I think that would be the best way of taking advantage of this reset. Good luck loosening Frey up. Freaking Ouranos's personal paladin. The ultimate self-righteous asshole, probably. I need to think about Clint. I guess Michael's new backstory will affect him quite a lot. Hmm...I guess I have to think of a peacetime backstory for the Preying Blades too. They wouldn't have been involved in the war. None of their members would have died either. I'm kind of imagining them functioning a lot like M. Bison's Shandaloo organization now, with Cornelius as Bison, Jean as Vega, and so on. A few members would have turned away from the criminal aspects of it (Elise, others). So yeah, one more organization to oppose. Would that make Jin the RP's Ryu? |
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| Spitz | Nov 21 2013, 12:10:08 AM Post #24 |
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Right, of course. It'll be interesting seeing who else would take him. |
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| NemesisZeru | Nov 21 2013, 08:38:27 AM Post #25 |
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Alright, so I had an idea that I mentioned last night: That it turns out Ena is the daughter of Mizu...and Jean. :O Really, the only problem with this idea, I feel, is Jean would have to be a bit older, but I feel like it could still work. Anyways! I'm thinking that Jean turned away from the Blades criminal aspects, and as a result got thrown into some backwater realm with nothing, that realm being Sekiha. Mizu finds him and helps him recover, leading to them sorta having a romance over several months. Eventually, the subspace gates open up, Jean leaves without a trace(Perhaps to get revenge on Cornelius, or perhaps forced back into the blades with blackmail, which could be interesting... :O ), and Mizu finds out she's pregnant. Years later(I'm thinking post-reset Ena is about Andrew's age?), Ena becomes insistent in finding out who her father is, and that's how Mizu and Ena sorta get into the plot, traveling the realms to find her father. Alternatively, he sticks around with Mizu and gets to play the whole daddy role and someday end up the king of Sekiha. Either works. Another idea is that he was originally sent to off Mizu or capture her as blackmail to manipulate the King and Queen of Sekiha under Cornelius's orders, but Iunno. Not sure how we get from that to, y'know, babies. :P Also, I'm thinking Ryuza and Kazuma existed, and were major players in Ouranos's war. They died defending a city from one of the Four Fiends, two fighters holding their own against something it takes Ouranos to actually kill. Because of their heroism, Sekiha becomes considerably more well known. Nira also gets to retain her sads becuase Ryuza's dead in this realm, too. :V Edited by NemesisZeru, Nov 21 2013, 08:54:46 AM.
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 21 2013, 10:09:46 AM Post #26 |
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I think I like this idea better than the others. It seems to be the most developed. I like maybe having an older version of Jean who was banished to this backwater realm. Seems like there's a lot of potential for drama in that story. I also like both the revenge and the blackmail suggestions for his new involvement in the Blades. They could both work. Since I'm seeing the Blades in a Street Fighter sense recently (seriously, I'm treating the new Cornelius as the RP's M. Bison), maybe Jean could show up and be Ena's stumbling block during a few plots. Since he cannot get revenge on Cornelius directly, he could try to "train" Ena through battles with her (perhaps incognito, maybe Jean is "officially" listed as dead but still kicking as a "new" member of the Blades). once he figures out who Ena is, he could try to build her up as his way of getting revenge on Cornelius. His tests would make her stronger, maybe even strong enough to take out the man who forced Jean to leave his family. Maybe Ena even sees through it eventually (or loses to Cornelius) and inspires Jean to fight Cornelius directly, ala Darth Vader vs the Emperor.
Nice. It could be that they defeated the legendary dragon Tiamat against all odds, proving the worth of their martial arts, their Sol energy, and their country. It could be inspiring to any fighter-type characters in the RP. |
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 21 2013, 10:10:18 AM Post #27 |
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Yep. Sounds good. |
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| NemesisZeru | Nov 21 2013, 10:21:13 AM Post #28 |
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Well, Kazuma and Ryuza were more swordsmen then martial artists, but I know whatcha mean. Well, Ryuza was at least. Kazuma definitely was a martial artist, at least sooooometimes. :3c Oh? How would both work, you think? Well...at least initially, Ena doesn't really have any fighting potential, being about as white a white mage as one can be. As the story goes on, though, she could sort of...weaponize healing magic, almost? Like, learn how to use healing offensively and stuff. :3 That, or I could always give her Kusanagi again. Energy swords teeeend to help things out. Although, given how she's younger and not all that physically strong, I don't feel that works so well in retrospect. |
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| Darknaut9 | Nov 22 2013, 07:09:45 PM Post #29 |
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Now this is interesting stuff to want me to return to Leareth. I was thinking two things could have happened for him. A)Due to his growing power before the reset, Ouranos made it so Leareth was bound to the god, making him a kind of 'bodyguard' for Ouranos in the main city. Of course, his memories would also have been locked away, causing him to forget his hatred and sorrows and the evils he committed, so he would be a willing aid to the man, though somewhat confused. B)Similar to above, Leareth was bound, but this time into a 'mortal' form. He would think he's a human, but something inside him would always be hinting at some greater destiny. His memories forgotten, Leareth would have all this anger and sorrow that he couldn't explain, frustrating him even more. On a side note, how would his relationship with Milly be? Would they have forgotten each other, never having met since the Jin Dao fight was changed by Ouranos's change to history? Edit: I also don't think Leareth would have ever been let out of the armor. He was let out after the Four Fiends were defeated and Rabist appeared. Edited by Darknaut9, Nov 22 2013, 07:29:31 PM.
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 22 2013, 08:31:55 PM Post #30 |
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Hm...both ideas are interesting. I think I prefer option B, though. It might be the best way of humanizing Leareth a bit more, and it might be the better way of integrating him into the reset world. I think one of the ideas I had about him was that he was in the church somehow. He could also be in Frey's Scouting Legion (the most military they really need in this peaceful world). Either option would put him in regular contact with a lot of characters, so those would be good. Any suggestions you have, though, would be good as well. If he was in the church, his relationship with Milly could be different, but there. He's still in his armor, which makes him fairly mysterious, and he's still Leareth. I think Milly was attracted to him because of his character and mysteriousness (physical attraction too, being ridiculously tall and whatnot). It could still work. Their story would just be different now; not necessarily more normal, but there could be a forbidden element to it too if they're both in the church. Milly's going full career mode right now working to earn a position as archmage (she has competition, though). Depending on Leareth's position (maybe a paladin, like Frey), she could have started a relationship to him just to further her position at first. Maybe from there, memories combined with real attraction could have worked their magic and kept it going until it because more serious. |
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