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| Proposal: A Pretty Big Plot Shift | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 18 2013, 07:02:06 AM (1,030 Views) | |
| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 18 2013, 07:02:06 AM Post #1 |
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So the scenario that the overall plot is following now is generally, "Defeat Ouranos and risk destroying the whole universe by unleashing the power of ancient evil inside the planet." Following this plotline, an interesting question arises: "What if the bad guy won this one?" Ouranos has stressed that the universe would be reset, only with some say from him. Maybe this suggests that there would be some change, but enough of the same events would occur for it to be basically the same universe. He evens seemed to imply that the same people would reemerge. So, is it too much of a stretch to think that if he won this one, our characters would still be there (but in a different universe?)? Think back to the beginning of The RP. Characters had been pulled from multiple RP worlds, and we accommodated this by giving them vague, fragmented memories of those worlds that eventually became whole. What if we revisited that idea? What if the universe itself was reset, and our characters woke up with a sense of deja vu, gradually regaining memories of the current universe (like some of them eventually did in the beginning of this RP)? It would be optional for each character: you could either essentially start anew with the character or eventually have them remember everything from the current universe (there would be a plotline for this). So what do you think? I could compile a list of differences I'm already thinking for this new universe, differences like: Instead of Janus forming the Empire, it was Ouranos, who is now remembered as the one god who ruled ancient Vanda and has returned to rule. Ouranos won a decisive victory against his enemies and reunited the world. The nations of the world are now broken up into Realms. Some of the worlds that certain characters originally had memories of are now distinct realms in this larger, expanded Vanda (such as the FE RP's world, etc). The old gods (Nyx, etc) are inhabitants of their own realm (think Thor) and not gods. Only Ouranos is considered a true god. The world is at peace starting out. Basically, you'd have the freedom to reimagine your character into a new, peacetime environment while deciding how to handle their emerging (or not) memories of the past universe. I feel like this plotline would be a lot like the time reset from our previous FF RPG. It can be a moment where everything comes full circle. There may even be a hint that this same thing happened before in the universe. We'd see what plot develops from it. Some thoughts for characters: Michael has finally earned the vacation he wanted. Thanks to his tactics, Ouranos's military defeated the Trade Empire and the Republic before they became significant threats. He may just find peacetime worries just as difficult to deal with as wartime ones. With the war over, characters can rebuild their lives. It is assumed that the war was not as bleak due to the intervention of Ouranos early on. Some characters may not have even participated in it this time around. Nieve, as the one who fought Ouranos in subspace and unleashed the ancient ones through her own body, retains all of her memories from the first universe and has no place in the second. Having reemerged into a timeline she does not recognize, she is quickly labeled a person of interest and is being tracked down by Ouranos. |
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| NoNameAtAll | Nov 18 2013, 09:29:17 AM Post #2 |
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It would feel a tad odd having Andrew forget what had happened again considering he already went through the whole amnesia thing. Plus the growing romance that was going to occur between Nieve and Nex would be obliterated. Overall though, the concept is quite intriguing. I do like it. I do want to clarify that I'm not against doing that stuff. If Andrew and Nex are to forget what happened and gradually regain their memories, then let it be so. I was just saying it'd be a bit odd on my end. :P It's just I don't see Andrew ever lying down and accepting Ouranos. Maybe he'd be trapped in the subspace between Realms? As for Nex, I don't know, unless he encounters Nieve early on. Edited by NoNameAtAll, Nov 18 2013, 10:57:12 AM.
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 18 2013, 01:19:12 PM Post #3 |
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Nex is still Nieve's dream guy, basically, so look at it this way: they would have been forcibly separated after their reunion. Wouldn't that make the desire to find each other great on both ends? Because of that, I could see Nex as being the first person to have memories awaken. It would have strong enough feelings around it to justify the awakening. Yeah, Andrew probably wouldn't accept Ouranos as a ruler. Could end up being a repeat of his situation from the beginning of the Janus era, quietly conspiring against the god ruler. In this situation, though, it may be more secretive. Others, though, I don't see lying down. Looking at the Siema/Alexander interactions, I had an idea. Since the Republic was defeated, maybe Siema was captured and executed. Later, during the maturing of the cloning program, Alexander would have been created, and maybe Siema was cloned as well (due to her being a unique class of demon). Both of them would be more innocent versions of their other selves, with Siema almost being a return to her early state in the RP. Vergel would be horrified, naturally. His motivation past this point would be pretty simple: get revenge. There could be a certain group of characters who keep fighting against Ouranos despite everything being at peace. They'd be labelled terrorists pretty quickly and looped in with organized crime groups. Vergel would suddenly find himself alongside some shady characters. Could be interesting. Maybe even humanizing for him, since there would be a great deal of tragedy involved. Not sure about Clint. Part of me likes the alliance he has with Michael, part of me sees him as Michael's Loki, always plotting, always there to get in his way. Military characters are military. Rheda could be interesting. She would probably be in the same boat as Andrew: a return to the Janus-era days. Elise would stick with Andrew. I want to redefine Frey quite a bit. In this world, the Lemurians never ascended to a higher plane, meaning they have their own realm. Maybe it's a dangerous realm, the only one not under Ouranos's control. Frey would be among the warriors who frequents this realm and fights the Lemurians. I'm a bit inspired by Attack on Titan here; make Frey that group's Levi. He would also be a religious zealot. Instead of being revived to a world that had no purpose for him, he was given purpose by Ouranos, who made him his Paladin. Jin Dao is martial arts man. He fight with big fists. Big fists and energy legs. He invents Powerthirst and makes millions. Von Wolfgang becomes a pirate. Argh! The way he were, as it be. Argh! More ideas later. Edited by JDWitchdoctor, Nov 18 2013, 01:23:53 PM.
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| NoNameAtAll | Nov 18 2013, 01:39:11 PM Post #4 |
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Sounds good to me. I was just hypothesizing what I would do with Andrew. I definitely don't see a need for him losing his memories again since he already went through that journey of self-discovery. But he'll take a backseat at the beginning I'd say, for Elise's sake. Even if he does regain his memories, he's not going to take an active role. He only would if someone he knew was in danger, like Elise for instance. Nex, however, would be the first one found by Nieve, if possible. Edited by NoNameAtAll, Nov 18 2013, 01:56:35 PM.
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| NemesisZeru | Nov 18 2013, 03:12:30 PM Post #5 |
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Sounds good to me. I'll admit I'm not super-ken on the whole reset thing, but it's been so long since we've done stuff, it'd be nice to get things moving again, as well as sorta fix issues with our characters. :P The way I'm thinking, everything was changed in Sekiha by a single event: Rather then nearly dying and being forced to go into stasis for decades, Yukina was just fine after giving birth to Mizu. Not only did this give Mizu a loving mother during her childhood, but since she was the heart of Sekiha, so to speak, things generally went a lot better. Mizu never ran away from home, and never had her falling out with her father. Yukina was also able to keep peace between the Sekihans and the demon tribes, and thus quite a bit of pain and sadness was avoided. The current Sekiha'd be at peace with the demon tribes around it's borders. The real tension would be from the fact Sekiha is being forced to modernize a bit, due to travelers from other realms bringing new technology and ideas. Despite Sekiha's more isolated nature, they sorta end up as a bit of a trade hub, I'm thinking, which forces some changes. Outside of that, another big change is I want to make Ena Mizu's biological daughter. In the RP, they were basically mother/daughter as it is(Mizu actually adopted Ena around the last time I got to do posts). To be fair, I have no idea why Ouranos would make this specific change, but I feel like it's a change that'd fit both of them, as well as show the longevity of Sekihans(Mizu's always been like, 200, but she looks young. :P ). Nira'd probably still be around as well. I'm thinking Sekiha might have like, a committee to handle all the new technology coming in and making sure it's safe, which Nira, always a major advocate of tech, would be a member of. Zerazo and Ashia(She never got to show up, but ah well), and a new demon called Nephthys(Was considering Drake since he fits water demon better, but I can't see him doing the whole leader thing. xD) would be the three leaders of the demon clans in the Sekiha realm: Earth, ice and water. They'd generally have a minor role, though. Other characters I'm unsure of: Outside of the Sekihans, did I really even have anyone else noteworthy enough for a return? Edited by NemesisZeru, Nov 18 2013, 03:28:09 PM.
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 18 2013, 09:12:21 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah, I can see Nex being a more active character for you now. Andrew taking a backseat at first would be interesting. I pitched the idea in the C-Box of Nex being a part of this SCOUTING LEGION that Frey is a part of, so that could involve him in action immediately if that sounds okay. # I like the new background for Sekiha. With such a different past, I can see how memories of a more traumatic history might have a lot of potential for drama. Sekiha as a trade hub sounds great. It gives characters a non-fighting reason to be there. Should shopping feature heavily in scenes? Ena being Mizu's daughter sounds interesting. Just mentioning this, but Ouranos does not have complete control over what has changed and what has not. He is only a god in the sense that he is levels above other beings in terms of power, foresight, ability, astral presence, etc. Think of him like Sauron: he's partly non-corporeal, so he can see across vast distances, but he can still be bound in a single object or physical form. In fact, I may just give him a ring-like item that bounds him to the world. Nira's proposed new backstory makes a lot of sense. Zerazo, Ashia, and Nephthys sound good. |
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| NoNameAtAll | Nov 18 2013, 09:27:43 PM Post #7 |
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Yeah, Nex will be the active one now. Andrew may make cameos for a bit, but he won't get recruited into opposing Ouranos. At this point, he just wants to live in peace, regardless of who is in charge. One could say he's lost his fighting will, even if he can still use Meteor and such. |
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 18 2013, 09:34:35 PM Post #8 |
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Would it sound crazy if I said I don't want Ouranos to necessarily be the villain in this new world? It sounds like he's actually achieved a kind of peace. Once Andrew and co. regain their memories and remember a more violent, war-torn world, who knows: they may prefer the world that Ouranos built to the old one. My instincts are telling me not to go to Ouranos as the villain. I think we should keep our conflicts smaller in scale. Skirmishes, grudges, personal arguments, disagreements, trade issues, bandits, border conflicts, intrigue, espionage, etc. We don't really need an end-of-the-world plot up front. It's easier to develop characters with those smaller conflicts. |
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| NoNameAtAll | Nov 18 2013, 09:35:54 PM Post #9 |
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I agree to an extent. Maybe at some point sure. But for building up the characters at this point? No, I agree completely. |
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| Shadow | Nov 18 2013, 09:43:49 PM Post #10 |
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Well... I just realized I even have to question Michael's humanity due to changed events. This is gonna be hard. Shadow is starting to come together in my mind though... she was deactivated like before, then reactivated after the war, stripped of her weaponry and almost killed before they decide to use her for an experiment instead, one they don't expect her to return from. I'd like for her to be reunited with Nira... If Yukina never went into statis, that means Lilia would probably have lived a normal life with her as well. Assuming Yukina still had a relationship with Leareth.... otherwise Lilia doesn't even exist. And Alix... I just dunno. |
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Go, into the sand, and the dust, and the sky Go now, there is no better plan than to do or to die Free me, pray to the fayth in face of the light Feed me, fill me with sin, and get ready to fight "Those of you with power, fear us! Those of you without it, rally behind us! We, the Black Knights, are the ones who shall stand in judgment of this world!" ~ Zero "Yes... I... I destroy... the world... and create it... anew..." ~ Lelouch vi Britannia's final words
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| NemesisZeru | Nov 18 2013, 09:54:13 PM Post #11 |
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She would have, yeah. Assuming Leareth still exists. If not, she could arguably just be Mizu's sister, although she'd probably have to lose the wings for that(Although, the idea of Lilia using Sol to create magical wings to fly seems pretty neat to me~). D: And yeah, I'd like for Nira and Shadow to be reunited, for sure. x3 |
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| NoNameAtAll | Nov 19 2013, 12:15:15 PM Post #12 |
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After discussing stuff with Z, I've come up with a slightly cleaner version of how things will work for my characters. For once, Andrew's going to choose to be ignorant. His memories may manifest themselves at times, but unlike the beginning of the RP where Andrew actively searched for his memories, the opposite will occur. He's going to try and forget. Basically: Andrew's going to reject the memories for awhile. He's giving up and accepting Ouranos, despite not liking him due to the deep-rooted feelings from his memories. He'll eventually return to action, but for the immediate future, he's done. He's choosing to stand aside and just try to live a peaceful life. Meanwhile, Nex will be more interesting. His morals may paint him as evil in some perspectives, even though he's more neutral. He appreciates the peace that is in place, but also feels that order alone will lead to subjugation. He rejects both order and chaos and believes the inhabitants of the realm need to craft their own destinies and not be ruled by a single entity. Kinda like the neutral route in a SMT game. He knows this could lead to war and regrets that possibility, but feels that the people need to decide their own fates and not be dictated. It also shows Nex is significantly more mature than he was during the 3rd RP. A combination of experience and growing up basically. He's no longer clouded by doubt. When he does something, he knows what could happen and that there are potential consequences, but he won't back down. Edited by NoNameAtAll, Nov 19 2013, 12:18:21 PM.
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| JDWitchdoctor | Nov 19 2013, 03:01:01 PM Post #13 |
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If it helps, Shad, I plan on having Ouranos taking Janus's place in the plot. Basically, Ouranos showed up and took credit for defeating the Four Fiends, and then turned Daetalus into an empire capable of ruling over the other realms. Certain realms rebelled, fought against the Empire, and lost. Ouranos united most of the realms and then established the type of order Janus was going for. The difference, I guess, is that Ouranos succeeded where Janus failed. Another difference would be that, because Ouranos was always the only real god in the realms, a religion (not unlike the one from the 1st RP) would have formed around him. I could see people like Catalus, Frey, Antipus, Guinevere, Kurde, and Milly (naming my characters) being major figures in this religion. Hm...maybe even Leareth could be a part of it. He IS an angel. Anyway, this would add a little more religious presence to the RP world. This religion would be a powerful organization. Just a thought; if Lilia starts as Leareth's daughter, maybe she can have some place in this religion as a cleric or something. She could have tried to find her father by rising through the ranks of this religion. Maybe he was barred from seeing her unless she was prominent enough in the religion (think Vivec from Morrowwind). Could be interesting. Different, at least. Andrew stuff sounds interesting and different for him. I like the sound of it. I also like the idea of Nex being a neutral route character. It would contrast with other characters being overtly chaotic (Clint, Nyx, Megara, Vergel, etc.) or law-oriented (Frey, Milly, Kurde, Guinevere). Sounds good. Hm...what other ideas do we need to deal with? |
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| Spitz | Nov 20 2013, 03:32:20 AM Post #14 |
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I could roll with this idea... The one thing I want Vergel to remember is that he was so close to achieving happiness. I think I'll have him focus on that. "Why do you fight against him? You have your memories, you know what the old universe was like!" "I came close to happiness. I was THIS close to marrying her. And then the universe was reset and I lost her. I will fight with all I have to bring back my universe, to bring back my Siema!" That, or I see him growing colder, ala his 3,000 words. |
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| NemesisZeru | Nov 20 2013, 09:16:42 AM Post #15 |
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My problem with that is how Yukina would become involved in such a thing. It was long before she met Izuno, so it wouldn't be an adultery thing, but I'm not sure how Solarion stands in the new world. While Yukina was a priestess in the past of Sekiha, it was to Solarion, and not Ournaos: Considering Sekiha's strick anti-demon policies back then, we can't simply swap them(Ouranos IS/was a demon, right? I forget. :P ). I'm kinda hoping the whole Yukina and Solarion thing stays the same, except with a twist: Rather then the Knight of the Shadows being a random sekihan hero, he was actually an agent of Ouranos, sent to remove someone who was trying to edge in on Ouranos's godhood turf. I mean, just because Ouranos was always the only real god doesn't mean beings with incredible power wouldn't try to build themselves up as one and try to get followers and stuff, would it? |
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