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Celtic v Man Utd CL; Remember the 5th November!
Topic Started: Nov 3 2008, 08:18 AM (765 Views)
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I wasn't arguing that Celtic were going to sack him, I'm simply saying there would be a queue of managers down London Road if they did. 'Footballing backwater' does not come into it, we are a huge club and we offer the chance of trophies and European football every season. History has shown the Celtic job can lead to EPL jobs, these reasons alone would make the job extremely attractive to ambitous and successful managers. It is doing MON no disservice to say that he must have been thinking about his next move should he have broght success to Celtic, and had Leeds not been going into eventual liquadation who knows what might have happened there.


Well, MON left because his wife was ill. He said in his press conference that, had it not been for her situation, he would not have chosen to leave Celtic. Believe that or don't believe it but I choose to believe it because I trust that he was telling the truth. There's no doubt he could have had his pick of jobs but he wanted to stay here, this job was not a stepping stone for him.

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The Hearts situation is incomparable, as are all clubs with an egotistical owner who meddles in team affairs. Burley got the boot because he told Mad Vlad where to go over team selections.


I know why Burley got the boot. I was alluding to the stupidity of sacking successful managers.

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The Barca, Madrid and Chelsea comparisons are there because, despite success, these guys were sacked due to the lack of entertaining football yet someone else was willing to fill these guys shoes.


I know why these comparisons were there. I know why these managers were sacked and again, sacking successful managers is nothing short of stupid! Just because other clubs do it does not make it right!

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Again this is not a debate about Strachan staying or going, just that people would not be reluctant to join if Celtic ever went about the above route. Re. the abuse Strachan gets, some of it is out of order and despite my feelings yo-yoing over him over the course of his tenure I've never wanted to see him personably abused. At the end of every season I hope he goes with the goodwill of everyone as more often than not the football is not to my, or a lot of others taste, although to his credit this season since the Huns pumped us we have been playing some nice stuff.


Fair enough. And possibly we could get a manager to come in. When I said managers would be reluctant to come, I should probably have been more specific. I was talking about good quality managers, managers who could continue the success to which Celtic have become accustomed. We were very lucky MON came when we did because we were in oblivion, we are also very lucky that WGS came. He doesn't see Celtic as some sort of stepping stone and has alluded to as much himself. Personally, I want managers to be at Celtic for Celtic not to use us as a stepping stone. If they came to Celtic, took us as far as they believed they could and were offered the chance of a job elsewhere that they wanted to take, they'd go with my best wishes. But among the reasons for taking the job at Celtic, us being a stepping stone is not a reason I would be happy with a manager coming here because it gives the impression of a lack of commitment. WGS signed a rolling contract, which demonstrate to me that he is happy at Celtic for the forseeable future. I'm not saying he'll stay forever but he certainly should not be sacked on the basis of what he has brought so far.

The entertainment thing is subjective as far as I am concerned. I agree with you, we have played some excellent stuff, going at teams and not letting up on them. But the season where we ground out a lot of results, sometimes having to come from behind to do so, that entertained me. It's not just about thrashing teams. People were screaming out for excitement and competition, well we got it that season because it was not made easy for us. I know I felt pretty entertained seeing the :wtf?: look on opposition players' faces after we'd yet again managed to come from behind and get a victory. I was also proud of the spirit shown in these games. A lot of people go on about the "Celtic Way". For me, it is not just about one thing. Of course we want to see free flowing football all of the time. It won't happen though for any team. Another aspect for me is the never-say-die gutsy attitude that has been a hall mark of WGS's Celtic teams and many others.

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When you have a real lack of genuine quality, such as we do, it is a bit silly and to then leave out a player of quality like Naka.  McGeady was already out injured FFS, our only other quality player who can give you an outlet late on in a game when the legs are starting to go and you are under the cosh.


Not really silly at all and no one would have batted an eyelid had the score stayed 1-0.

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And obviously, we cannot compare ourselves to likes of Manure.  Ferguson left out those players because they are a) in a stronger position than us in the group b ) they have a big game this weekend and c) they can afford to.


Again, they still needed those players when they were desperately chasing an equaliser, we very nearly saw out the game without Naka playing.

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As for investment?  Yer havin' a giraffe surely!! :yikes:


Nope, deadly serious.

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And just quickly to touch on your  point about sacking Strachan.  Firstly, no club sacks a manager without already having a replacement sounded out.  As you said, we are Celtic.  Who wouldn't want to come and manage a club like ours? 


Well, if I was a football manager, I would be reluctant to go to a club that sacked a winning manager.

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Anyway, I don't think we will sack him.  He will walk. 

Here's hoping anyway.  :D


You can hope, I will stick to hoping he stays for a long time.

Meh.

TBH Rosie it's getting to the "I'm right", "Naw, I'm right ya ride" stage. :)

I disagree with everything you have posted in this thread. And you feel the same way.

So I could dissect your post and pull it apart and show the world why and where your clearly wrong, but to be honest I cannae be bothered.

I have a stinking hangover, a wean screaming in ma ear and I have to contend with the fact that we have a ginger muppet in charge of the team and a bunch of right wing, self hating tims in charge of the club.

So while things are going right on the field (at the moment) off the pitch things aren't too hot. And in my opinion that is just as important.

I pray for the day that our club are rid of Strachan/Reid/Desmond. They are killing what Celtic are and what it represents (or used to anyway).
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When you have a real lack of genuine quality, such as we do, it is a bit silly and to then leave out a player of quality like Naka.  McGeady was already out injured FFS, our only other quality player who can give you an outlet late on in a game when the legs are starting to go and you are under the cosh.


Not really silly at all and no one would have batted an eyelid had the score stayed 1-0.

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And obviously, we cannot compare ourselves to likes of Manure.  Ferguson left out those players because they are a) in a stronger position than us in the group b ) they have a big game this weekend and c) they can afford to.


Again, they still needed those players when they were desperately chasing an equaliser, we very nearly saw out the game without Naka playing.

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As for investment?  Yer havin' a giraffe surely!! :yikes:


Nope, deadly serious.

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And just quickly to touch on your  point about sacking Strachan.  Firstly, no club sacks a manager without already having a replacement sounded out.  As you said, we are Celtic.  Who wouldn't want to come and manage a club like ours? 


Well, if I was a football manager, I would be reluctant to go to a club that sacked a winning manager.

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Anyway, I don't think we will sack him.  He will walk. 

Here's hoping anyway.  :D


You can hope, I will stick to hoping he stays for a long time.

Meh.

TBH Rosie it's getting to the "I'm right", "Naw, I'm right ya ride" stage. :)

I disagree with everything you have posted in this thread. And you feel the same way.

So I could dissect your post and pull it apart and show the world why and where your clearly wrong, but to be honest I cannae be bothered.

I have a stinking hangover, a wean screaming in ma ear and I have to contend with the fact that we have a ginger muppet in charge of the team and a bunch of right wing, self hating tims in charge of the club.

So while things are going right on the field (at the moment) off the pitch things aren't too hot. And in my opinion that is just as important.

I pray for the day that our club are rid of Strachan/Reid/Desmond. They are killing what Celtic are and what it represents (or used to anyway).

Fair enough. :) You're right, we could go round in circles forever and never agree. I will say though, I don't say/post what I do to be bloody minded, it's just exactly the way I feel. You post what you do as you see it in the best interest of Celtic and so do I, it's just our attitudes are different. :thumbs.up: I will also say that I do actually enjoy our wee debates, at least you don't resort to abuse or flippant digs at my opinions the way some do on the boards. I don't even count you saying I talk mince, I don't see that as an insult because I know I don't. :tongue.out:

Enjoy the match tomorrow or tonight as it is where you are. :thumbs.up:

My voice will be well and truly goosed because, as well as the match, I've got a gig to go to tomorrow night. :cheer:

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Nov 7 2008, 01:34 AM
When you have a real lack of genuine quality, such as we do, it is a bit silly and to then leave out a player of quality like Naka.  McGeady was already out injured FFS, our only other quality player who can give you an outlet late on in a game when the legs are starting to go and you are under the cosh.


Not really silly at all and no one would have batted an eyelid had the score stayed 1-0.

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And obviously, we cannot compare ourselves to likes of Manure.  Ferguson left out those players because they are a) in a stronger position than us in the group b ) they have a big game this weekend and c) they can afford to.


Again, they still needed those players when they were desperately chasing an equaliser, we very nearly saw out the game without Naka playing.

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As for investment?  Yer havin' a giraffe surely!! :yikes:


Nope, deadly serious.

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And just quickly to touch on your  point about sacking Strachan.  Firstly, no club sacks a manager without already having a replacement sounded out.  As you said, we are Celtic.  Who wouldn't want to come and manage a club like ours? 


Well, if I was a football manager, I would be reluctant to go to a club that sacked a winning manager.

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Anyway, I don't think we will sack him.  He will walk. 

Here's hoping anyway.  :D


You can hope, I will stick to hoping he stays for a long time.

Meh.

TBH Rosie it's getting to the "I'm right", "Naw, I'm right ya ride" stage. :)

I disagree with everything you have posted in this thread. And you feel the same way.

So I could dissect your post and pull it apart and show the world why and where your clearly wrong, but to be honest I cannae be bothered.

I have a stinking hangover, a wean screaming in ma ear and I have to contend with the fact that we have a ginger muppet in charge of the team and a bunch of right wing, self hating tims in charge of the club.

So while things are going right on the field (at the moment) off the pitch things aren't too hot. And in my opinion that is just as important.

I pray for the day that our club are rid of Strachan/Reid/Desmond. They are killing what Celtic are and what it represents (or used to anyway).

Fair enough. :) You're right, we could go round in circles forever and never agree. I will say though, I don't say/post what I do to be bloody minded, it's just exactly the way I feel. You post what you do as you see it in the best interest of Celtic and so do I, it's just our attitudes are different. :thumbs.up: I will also say that I do actually enjoy our wee debates, at least you don't resort to abuse or flippant digs at my opinions the way some do on the boards. I don't even count you saying I talk mince, I don't see that as an insult because I know I don't. :tongue.out:

Enjoy the match tomorrow or tonight as it is where you are. :thumbs.up:

My voice will be well and truly goosed because, as well as the match, I've got a gig to go to tomorrow night. :cheer:

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Amen to that sister. :D

Even wee digs like 'you are talking mince' are meant as a gentle ribbing. :thumbs.up: Never any malice intended.

And although we don't agree I do admire your loyality to Celtic and your positive attitude. Even though it boarders on lunacy at times. :D

Enjoy the match too!

Unfortunately it's on the middle of the night over here as a delayed telecast!! Bastard shitanta!!! :angry:
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strachan shat it with 15 minutes left.

:rolleyes:

And if he hadn't made us more defensive and they'd scored, you'd have been castigating him for not being defensive enough. :rolleyes:

None of that team, and that includes WGS, shat it last night!

none of the team did, but strachan did.

without an outlet it was good fortune, desperate defending and poor finishing that prevented man ure winning.

if we brought naka on or kept mcdonald on with the hutch then we'd have been able to get a bit of respite and would have had a great chance to secure the win.
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Roseanne, just to respond to people being reluctant to take the job and not whether or not Strachan should stay which I dont want to get into


Roseanne,

re: MON/Leeds - this was after his second season. I know why he eventually left.

Think I'll step out and stick to what I said in the box.
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strachan shat it with 15 minutes left.

:rolleyes:

And if he hadn't made us more defensive and they'd scored, you'd have been castigating him for not being defensive enough. :rolleyes:

None of that team, and that includes WGS, shat it last night!

none of the team did, but strachan did.

None of that team, and that includes WGS

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without an outlet it was good fortune, desperate defending and poor finishing that prevented man ure winning.


Good fortune my arse! Always the lucky card gets wheeled out when those who think we'll get a humping are proved wrong. It was excellent defending that got us the point. Just because Scum U couldn't score any of there other chances, that does not mean our work should be dismissed.

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if we brought naka on or kept mcdonald on with the hutch then we'd have been able to get a bit of respite and would have had a great chance to secure the win.


As I said, easy to talk tactics when it's not you who has to face consequences of your decision. The thing is, whatever WGS done would not have been good enough for you. If Naka had come on or Skippy had stayed on, they equally might still have got the equaliser, you don't know what would have happened. And you could bet then you'd castigate him for not shoring things up near the end.
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Roseanne, just to respond to people being reluctant to take the job and not whether or not Strachan should stay which I dont want to get into


Roseanne,

re: MON/Leeds - this was after his second season. I know why he eventually left.

Think I'll step out and stick to what I said in the box.

I know when the Leeds story was. I was talking about his press conference when he did leave:

"I never wanted to leave Celtic"

I interpreted that as meaning at any time. And again, I have no reason not to believe him.
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Roseanne, just to respond to people being reluctant to take the job and not whether or not Strachan should stay which I dont want to get into


Roseanne,

re: MON/Leeds - this was after his second season. I know why he eventually left.

Think I'll step out and stick to what I said in the box.

I know when the Leeds story was. I was talking about his press conference when he did leave:

"I never wanted to leave Celtic"

I interpreted that as meaning at any time. And again, I have no reason not to believe him.

Then why talk to Peter Ridsdale?

Did you believe it when he told the press Rangers were the benchmark as well?

Again, like I said at the start, it does him no disservice.

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Roseanne, just to respond to people being reluctant to take the job and not whether or not Strachan should stay which I dont want to get into


Roseanne,

re: MON/Leeds - this was after his second season. I know why he eventually left.

Think I'll step out and stick to what I said in the box.

I know when the Leeds story was. I was talking about his press conference when he did leave:

"I never wanted to leave Celtic"

I interpreted that as meaning at any time. And again, I have no reason not to believe him.

Then why talk to Peter Ridsdale?

Did you believe it when he told the press Rangers were the benchmark as well?

Again, like I said at the start, it does him no disservice.

1. Out of courtesy maybe. Just a thought.

2. He said what he had to at the time. As unpalatable as it was, when he came, they were what seemed like miles ahead of us. Did you expect the turnaround to be so sudden because, for all I had a good feeling when he came, that was all it was, I certainly didn't expect the rollercoaster that was to come.

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The benchmark remark was a piss take, he told the players they would be Champions after a few weeks.

Out of courtesy? Come on. He was interested in leaving Celtic for Leeds at one point, enough to speak to the Leeds chairman about it. Ultimately he stayed but to think he never thought of leaving Celtic is just not true.
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The benchmark remark was a piss take, he told the players they would be Champions after a few weeks.

Out of courtesy? Come on. He was interested in leaving Celtic for Leeds at one point, enough to speak to the Leeds chairman about it. Ultimately he stayed but to think he never thought of leaving Celtic is just not true.

It doesn't matter what was said behind closed doors. If he had said what he said in to the players in the press and it had gone wrong, we would have ended up looking stupid. I don't even know why we're comparing the two things because one is about the differences between what you say publicly to the press about the championship and privately to the players, one was a non story about him going to Leeds.

Bobo Balde also went for a medical at to Middlesborough. Did that mean he was interested in signing for them. No. Because he is still here! But he done them the courtesy of going for talks and had a medical because, at that time, he was free to listen to offers from clubs.

In his final interview, MON said that he had NEVER wanted to leave Celtic, that to me suggests that he did not want to leave at any point.
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We're comparing the two because what MON told the press wasn't always necessarily true, including not wanting to leave Celtic. What did you expect him to say in his final press conference.

Balde, FFS, he stayed because we offered him 28,000 a week plus the option of walking away for free that summer, an option which he took up where he whored himself round Europe, sometimes days before games he was due to play in. He stayed because no one was stupid enought to match the wage we gave him. Honestly, you think clubs like players going through medicals as a courtesy?

Lets just leave it there.
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We're comparing the two because what MON told the press wasn't always necessarily true, including not wanting to leave Celtic. What did you expect him to say in his final press conference.

Balde, FFS, he stayed because we offered him 28,000 a week plus the option of walking away for free that summer, an option which he took up where he whored himself round Europe, sometimes days before games he was due to play in. He stayed because no one was stupid enought to match the wage we gave him. Honestly, you think clubs like players going through medicals as a courtesy?

Lets just leave it there.

Put it this way, the last thing I am expecting when he is more concerned about his wife is putting some sort of spin on to the press.

Balde had the right to talk to clubs, which he exercised. He didn't go looking for other clubs, they asked to speak to him so he done them the courtesy of doing so, he certainly didn't whore himself around. Celtic at the time obviously considered he was worth paying the wage to and he had the right to take up their offer.
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We're comparing the two because what MON told the press wasn't always necessarily true, including not wanting to leave Celtic. What did you expect him to say in his final press conference.

Balde, FFS, he stayed because we offered him 28,000 a week plus the option of walking away for free that summer, an option which he took up where he whored himself round Europe, sometimes days before games he was due to play in. He stayed because no one was stupid enought to match the wage we gave him. Honestly, you think clubs like players going through medicals as a courtesy?

Lets just leave it there.

Put it this way, the last thing I am expecting when he is more concerned about his wife is putting some sort of spin on to the press.

Balde had the right to talk to clubs, which he exercised. He didn't go looking for other clubs, they asked to speak to him so he done them the courtesy of doing so, he certainly didn't whore himself around. Celtic at the time obviously considered he was worth paying the wage to and he had the right to take up their offer.

Well we could go on all night, you could drag me into arguments about 'spin' and Balde that I wasn't even making in the first place.

But I'll leave it there thanks, again.
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