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Celtic v Man Utd CL; Remember the 5th November!
Topic Started: Nov 3 2008, 08:18 AM (767 Views)
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For my part, having had a few hours to get over the genuine disappointment of the equaliser, I think on the whole that was probably the best defensive performance I have seen a Celtic side come out with since we went to Ipox under MON and shut the door firmly in their faces despite huge pressure.

This was Man Utd, and they are the reigning European Champions and did give us a doing a couple of weeks ago. Their chosen strike force, although not first choice would have been adequate in dealing with most teams at this level of the tournament with ease and all those lads at the back did very well in dealing with them.

Having said on many an occasion that we have only one striker who is able on any level to be the lone striker up front in Samaras (and he still has more to develop in this regard) playing two up front was the right choice and hats off to both Sheridan and McDonald for playing the way they did.

In this regard my heart sank slowly when I saw it was Sheridan taken off for Donati. I actually thought Donati played well and added something to that midfield, but I would have taken off Robson for Naka at that time. Anything to change the formula at that time as the pressure was far too high and it is so difficult to keep out a strike force with that much talent whilst having no out ball. Hutchinson could have been that, but if you look at their goal, it was in that area that McDonald had been closing down all night that the move started for them.

In no way am I blaming anyone for this, let alone Hutchinson, merely stating this as a reality.

Hindsight is, of course, always 20-20 but I too think we would be talking about a narrow 1-0 win had we got those substitutions right. I do think 1-1 was a fair result though, and I honestly have to take my hats off to the players and WGS for his starting tactics. The atmosphere was terrific from watching it on the box and knowing CP, it would have been another deafening night there.

For me, the way in which we defended from the front, the resilience at the back and the will to give everything to win the game were all in evidence. To advance (and I think we do belong in the latter stages of the CL) we really need to add to that players of better technical ability. At this level it is all about keeping the ball. That is why Man Utd looked fitter at the end, they only had to press the ball in a very small area of the park for much of the game and basically it was like an attack vs defence training session for much of that time. We, on the other hand were chasing them around. Takes its toll eventually.

Fact is, we need to bring in more quality, simple as that, it will change the part of the park we play in. Last night they did to us what we do to many teams in the SPL.

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For me, the way in which we defended from the front, the resilience at the back and the will to give everything to win the game were all in evidence. To advance (and I think we do belong in the latter stages of the CL) we really need to add to that players of better technical ability. At this level it is all about keeping the ball. That is why Man Utd looked fitter at the end, they only had to press the ball in a very small area of the park for much of the game and basically it was like an attack vs defence training session for much of that time. We, on the other hand were chasing them around. Takes its toll eventually.

That is what the Champions League is all about. Keeping possession.

Now, there are some out there that like to re-write history with regards MON's teams. They were one dimensional. Route one football.

Total bollox obviously. The one thing Martin's teams were brilliant at, was keeping the ball. Look at someone like Lennon. He took some amount of stick from everybody and anybody. He's too fat. Too slow. Shamefully some of our own support didn't appreciate him either, such as the booing he was on the receiving end of against Boavista at home.

And why did some boo? Because he kept possession, instead of surrendering it cheaply. :rolleyes:

Lenny was the master at this. Not enough fitba' fans understand the importance of having someone in their team with this ability.

The closest we have to somebody with that ability at the moment, is Shunsuke Nakamura. And where was he on Wednesday night? :rolleyes:

There is no doubt that it should have been him, instead of Donati coming on. Well, in all honesty I am convinced he should have been starting in the first place. It is common sense that against the best you need your best players on the park. Some managers though, like Strachan overcomplicate things too often. :rolleyes:

The wrong decision by the manager. In the SPL you can sometimes get away with that. In the CL, against the likes of Manchester United? No very often.

We need more players with this kind of ability, all over the park. And, without wanting to bore everybody, a new manager who understands this.
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Good point about Porto and Monaco, except for the fact that both are far superior teams than ours and Portugal and France are also able to cherrypick their former colonies at will. 

That helps a lot.


They still don't have the sort of resources the richer clubs do. So they won't get to CL finals very often. They have though shown that it is possible.

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The performance last night was outstanding.  The effort the guys produced was amazing, however, effort will only take you so far and presently we are a CL group stage team. 


What does that even mean? We are a CL team! The last two years we have got to the last 16, this season we still have a chance albeit we have to rely on Man U beating Villareal as well as our own results, still it is doable.

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And Grouch is right and I said it earlier myself.  Strachan shit himself with 15/20 minutes to go.  He took off Sherridan.  Fair enough he was knackered.  However, bring on Hutchinson, instead of pushing Brown up front and most bizarrely Robson, who was majorly outclassed last night, to the awkward and unfamiliar right midfield position.  :rolleyes:  As soon as that happened, Ferguson smelt blood and immediately brought on Evra at left wing back to run the legs off Robson.


Grouch is anything but right! No one shat it last night, not one member of that Celtic team and that includes WGS. I said already on this thread, the fishal match report could not have summed up our performance any better - it was brave! Actually, I think Hutchison was brought on later for Skippy, it was Donati that came on for Sheridan. It is all very easy to talk tactics from the sidelines but WGS made some gutsy decisions with even more limited resources due to injuries and we very nearly beat the reigning Euro Champions for a second successive year, as it is, we gave them a bloody nose and still leave ourselves the possibility of last 16 qualification!

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He then took off Maloney and McDonald.  Again, they were knackered fair enough, but Donati?!?!??!?!?  Cannae get a game in the SPL, but I'll play him against Manure. Plus, he's shite.  Push Brown into the middle, take off the clearly outclassed Robson and bring on Naka.  Or better yet, fucking start Naka in the first place. :rolleyes:


Donati can get a game in the SPL, he came on against the Nazis on Sunday. The reason he hadn't been getting games is because we had other midfielders who had been playing well and staked a claim for a regular first team place. Now though, we have injuries and have to use others in the squad, we are also trying to use more of our squad on a rotation basis as well because of the volume of fixtures we have to play. He isn't shite either. He's not a robot, he might misplace a pass, that does not make him shite! I don't think Robson was outclassed either, I think both he and Brown played well in midfield last night. He got tired, as did the whole team. WGS explained his reason for not starting Naka, again I repeat, we came very close to pulling off the win without him.

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Strachan took off any attacking outlet we potentially had, which is what killed us.  Every time we cleared the ball it came straight back to us and as anyone who has played the game will tell you, that is a fucking nightmare if you are playing in midfield or at the back.  It is absolutely knackering.  We started to crack and got pushed further and further on to the edge of our 6 yard box. 

As soon as Strachan made his changes, the equaliser was inevitable.  You keep a presence up front and who knows?

Also, I have to re-emphasize his decision not to play Nakamura, a player who is an expert at keeping possession of the ball, in a CL game like that, was lunacy. :rolleyes: :banghead:


WGS had to make a decision! He decided to hold on to what we had with 15 minutes to go and leave one player up front to try and possibly grab something else that might come our way. That someone was Hutchison, who, at that level, has zero experience, it wasn't ideal but, with our lack of striking options, we had no choice. The players, all of them, ran themselves into the ground last night, they gave everything they could so we tried to focus on holding on to what we had. IIRC we had little in the way of attacking chances v Barca in the UEFA cup in the Nou Camp, we spent most of the time stopping wave after wave of attack from them. Was a winner inevitable for them then? Because we actually drew 0-0 in that game and they didn't get their winner. That is what the second half reminded me of last night, backs to the wall defending and we were six minutes away from pulling it off. Had we done it, WGS's tactics would be getting lauded. He already, as I said, justified his decision to not play Naka.

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And his after match comments were a disgrace quite frankly.


They weren't a disgrace at all. He made a throw-away remark about Hutchison being his seventh choice striker. I think Hutchison himself knows that, when everyone is fit, he is a long way from the first team, I don't think he has any complaints. I think it is more of a disgrace that people are still calling for his head after our first 3IAR since Stein was in charge and after helping us progress in the CL beyond many people's expectations.

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Och Rosie, gonnae no multiquote like that!! :D

Hurts ma eyes. :D

Plus it means I then have to put some effort into my reply. Looking after the wee one just noo, so will reply properly soonish. :thumbs.up:

But by way of a quick summary just now, I have to say you are talking pish. :thumbs.up: ;)
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They still don't have the sort of resources the richer clubs do. So they won't get to CL finals very often. They have though shown that it is possible.


No, but they do have the option of plundering a very rich resource such as Africa, South America, etc. Something we can't do and as such and advantage they have over us. That's not hard to understand is it??? :unsure: Plus, clubs like that have administrators who are willing to invest, rather than service their debt. A more forward thinking and progressive board than ours clearly are.

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What does that even mean? We are a CL team! The last two years we have got to the last 16, this season we still have a chance albeit we have to rely on Man U beating Villareal as well as our own results, still it is doable.


Well, it means what I said. We are a Group Stage team now. We played above ourselves in the last two seasons and they were fantastic achievements. But in terms of Europe, we have gone backwards this season. It means, presently, at this level, we have more the look of a Uefa Cup team. We are much more comfortable in the two-leg tie IMO.

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Grouch is anything but right! No one shat it last night, not one member of that Celtic team and that includes WGS. I said already on this thread, the fishal match report could not have summed up our performance any better - it was brave! Actually, I think Hutchison was brought on later for Skippy, it was Donati that came on for Sheridan. It is all very easy to talk tactics from the sidelines but WGS made some gutsy decisions with even more limited resources due to injuries and we very nearly beat the reigning Euro Champions for a second successive year, as it is, we gave them a bloody nose and still leave ourselves the possibility of last 16 qualification!


The team were outstanding. All heart. Strachan though, could have done better. He should have started our best player (A no brainer) and he made the wrong decisions in regards subs. He never made "gutsy" decisions. He made "safe" decisions and it backfired. Nakamura on the right. Robson on the bench. And Brown in the middle of the park, his best position and where he has been outstanding for us of late.

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Donati can get a game in the SPL, he came on against the Nazis on Sunday. The reason he hadn't been getting games is because we had other midfielders who had been playing well and staked a claim for a regular first team place. Now though, we have injuries and have to use others in the squad, we are also trying to use more of our squad on a rotation basis as well because of the volume of fixtures we have to play. He isn't shite either. He's not a robot, he might misplace a pass, that does not make him shite! I don't think Robson was outclassed either, I think both he and Brown played well in midfield last night. He got tired, as did the whole team. WGS explained his reason for not starting Naka, again I repeat, we came very close to pulling off the win without him.


Rosie, stop talking mince. Donati this season has been so far out the first team picture, that the police were considering filing a missing persons report. :) Donati is a very expensive mistake on Strachan's behalf. He is a terrible player that has had his chances and proved that he isn't quick enough upstairs to play for our club. He'd be alright if it was against the rules for the opposition to pressure him.

Robson, a player I love btw and would want him in my team 99 times out of 100 in the SPL, was woefully outclassed againt Manure. It was as clear as day.

Brown however was outstanding. Despite the handicap of being played out of position. :rolleyes:

And Strachan's "excuses" for not playing Naka were pathetic. Any manager would tell you, it doesn't matter if you are playing a pub team or Manure. You always have your best players on the park. Major, major mistake on Strachan's behalf.

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WGS had to make a decision! He decided to hold on to what we had with 15 minutes to go and leave one player up front to try and possibly grab something else that might come our way. That someone was Hutchison, who, at that level, has zero experience, it wasn't ideal but, with our lack of striking options, we had no choice. The players, all of them, ran themselves into the ground last night, they gave everything they could so we tried to focus on holding on to what we had. IIRC we had little in the way of attacking chances v Barca in the UEFA cup in the Nou Camp, we spent most of the time stopping wave after wave of attack from them. Was a winner inevitable for them then? Because we actually drew 0-0 in that game and they didn't get their winner. That is what the second half reminded me of last night, backs to the wall defending and we were six minutes away from pulling it off. Had we done it, WGS's tactics would be getting lauded. He already, as I said, justified his decision to not play Naka.


Yeah, he had to make a decision and three times (the three subs) he made the wrong decision. I have already explained why they were the wrong decisions, so no need to repeat myself.

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They weren't a disgrace at all. He made a throw-away remark about Hutchison being his seventh choice striker. I think Hutchison himself knows that, when everyone is fit, he is a long way from the first team, I don't think he has any complaints. I think it is more of a disgrace that people are still calling for his head after our first 3IAR since Stein was in charge and after helping us progress in the CL beyond many people's expectations


I am afraid they were. Throwaway remarks are Strachan's speciality aren't they? And he invariably comes across as a classless wanker. Hutchinson is a young player. New to the club. He needs encouragement. He doesn't need to publicly hear his manager come out with the shit he did. But again, that is Strachan's speciality. I spoke to my old manager yesterday after the game. This is a guy who has played for Rangers, Sheff Utd, Leeds and Cologne and has managed at high level also. I asked him about Strachan's comments and he laughed then rolled his eyes. He said you never publicly say anything negative or that can perceived as negative about one of your players. Especially a young player.

And listen, Strachan's record is impressive. However, he has taken us as far as he can. His tactics, behaviour and record in the transfer market are well, let's just say patchy.

I want him replaced because I know we can do better. He is by no means irreplaceable. The club needs change. It needs investment and it needs fresh ideas on the playing front for us to progeress any further.
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Och Rosie, gonnae no multiquote like that!!  :D

Hurts ma eyes.  :D

Plus it means I then have to put some effort into my reply.  Looking after the wee one just noo, so will reply properly soonish.  :thumbs.up:

But by way of a quick summary just now, I have to say you are talking pish.  :thumbs.up:  ;)

Any more of your cheek and I'll be adding the full quota of smilies and multiquoting. :D I'll give you sore eyes and talking pish. :tongue.out:

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Actually, I don't think I used ANY smilies in my last post. :yikes:
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Actually, I don't think I used ANY smilies in my last post. :yikes:

That's how I knew you were getting serious. :D ;)
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No, but they do have the option of plundering a very rich resource such as Africa, South America, etc.  Something we can't do and as such and advantage they have over us. That's not hard to understand is it???  :unsure:  Plus, clubs like that have administrators who are willing to invest, rather than service their debt.  A more forward thinking and progressive board than ours clearly are.

It is more of an advantage for them that they can get these players, yes, but still not anywhere near the advantages the Spanish, Italian and English teams have in being able to spend :nuts: amounts of money on one player.

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Well, it means what I said.  We are a Group Stage team now.  We played above ourselves in the last two seasons and they were fantastic achievements.  But in terms of Europe, we have gone backwards this season.  It means, presently, at this level, we have more the look of a Uefa Cup team. We are much more comfortable in the two-leg tie IMO.


Well, which is it? On one hand you say we are a group stage team while on another you say we have the look of a UEFA cup team. :unsure: As far as I'm cocerned we are a football team, we are Celtic. We have played above ourselves in Europe (Artmedia excepted :yikes:) since MON came. We more than not punch above our weight in European competition. We certainly haven't gone backwards. As I said, we played a team last night where many of our players who would have got a start were out injured and still managed to get a point. We all would have preferred the three points v Aalborg at home but sometimes things don't go the way we plan! We are still in with a chance to qualify and, if we do that and I am still convinced we can, it will be monumentally fantastic.

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The team were outstanding.  All heart.  Strachan though, could have done better.  He should have started our best player (A no brainer) and he made the wrong decisions in regards subs.  He never made "gutsy" decisions.  He made "safe" decisions and it backfired.


They weren't safe decisions when you consider that we have been hit by early or late sucker punches in games in the past when teams have come at us. We played 4-4-2 for a large part of that game last night, we played positively and then we shored up the best we could. We didn't have many attacking options on the bench. Caddis could have come on as an attacking full back but it wasn't appropriate because we didn't want to leave spaces at the back. The reason for Naka's exclusion was given and was perfectly reasonable. Every team should play their best players? Why then did Sir Rudolph leave Rooney, Berbatov and their like on the bench until they got desperate. We left Naka on the bench, we still nearly pulled off the win without him.

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Rosie, stop talking mince.  Donati this season has been so far out the first team picture, that the police were considering filing a missing persons report. :) Donati is a very expensive mistake on Strachan's behalf.  He is a terrible player that has had his chances and proved that he isn't quick enough upstairs to play for our club. He'd be alright if it was against the rules for the opposition to pressure him. 


I'm not talking mince. I believe in appreciating every player and I believe he has done enough to not be dismissed as an expensive mistake. WGS doesn't think he is a mistake or he wouldn't even get a sniff under the rotation policy.

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Robson, a player I love btw and would want him in my team 99 times out of 100  in the SPL, was woefully outclassed againt Manure.  It was as clear as day.

Brown however was outstanding.


Again, I thought they both done well last night.

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Yeah, he had to make a decision and three times (the three subs) he made the wrong decision.  I have already explained why they were the wrong decisions, so no need to repeat myself. 


He didn't make the wrong decision. He wanted to shore up and brought on defensive players (Hutchison excepted). He didn't want to go 4-6-0, he wanted a striker up front, who would you have played in Skippy's place when he went off then? It's easy to criticise from the sidelines as I said, not so easy to come within six minutes of beating the European Champions though.

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I am afraid they were.  Throwaway remarks are Strachan's speciality aren't they?  And he invariably comes across as a classless wanker.  Hutchinson is a young player.  New to the club.  He needs encouragement.  He doesn't need to publicly hear his manager come out with the shit he did.  But again, that is Strachan's speciality.  I spoke to my old manager yesterday after the game.  This is a guy who has played for Rangers, Sheff Utd, Leeds and Cologne and has managed at high level also. I asked him about Strachan's comments and he laughed then rolled his eyes.  He said you never publicly say anything negative or that can perceived as negative about one of your players.  Especially a young player.


He will get all the encouragement he needs. He was explaining the magnitude of our injury situation, just how down to the bare bones we are. He was not slating Hutchison's abilities. McGeady has credited WGS as being one of the people responsible for bringing him on as a player. He is a confidence player and he has been doing well in the time up to getting injured. WGS encourages folk just fine, I don't think he could be so successful without this being the case, especially since, in recent times, we have had to bring through more of our young players.

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And listen, Strachan's record is impressive.  However, he has taken us as far as he can.  His tactics, behaviour and record in the transfer market are well, let's just say patchy. 

I want him replaced because I know we can do better.  He is by no means irreplaceable.  The club needs change.  It needs investment and it needs fresh ideas on the playing front for us to progeress any further.


You know we can do better do you? I have never said anyone is irreplaceable but be very careful what you wish for. Can you imagine us sacking WGS and trying to bring someone new in. It is well known that WGS has won three times the most important competition we enter, the league! He has progressed us to the last 16 of the CL twice (and this campaign is not over yet!) What do you think a prospective manager would think if we sacked a manager who brought us that success? Just who do you think would touch us when you consider that, for some, the jury is still out on WGS even after all he has achieved? You don't know we can do better. We could end up with a manager who really sends us backwards. Plenty of our fans were calling for PLG to be our manager before the huns got him FFS. I think our board know better who is appropriate to manage our club.

As for investment, we do invest. We bring in what players we can on the transfer fees and wages we can afford to pay out. We also invest in the development of youth, something which requires more patience for us to see the full rewards of this.

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Actually, I don't think I used ANY smilies in my last post. :yikes:

That's how I knew you were getting serious. :D ;)

Getting serious? :D Always deadly serious when I talk Celtic. :thumbs.up: So much so that I nearly got involved in a punch up with a guy in our Church hall because he said MON was one of the worst managers in our history. :nuts: My mum had to separate us. :yikes:
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And I think we will leave it at that. :)

We are clearly not going to agree on any of the poitns raised and tbh we are starting to go round in circles now. don't want to bore any of the other posters now do we? ;)

All I will comment on is this;

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The reason for Naka's exclusion was given and was perfectly reasonable. Every team should play their best players? Why then did Sir Rudolph leave Rooney, Berbatov and their like on the bench until they got desperate. We left Naka on the bench, we still nearly pulled off the win without him.


When you have a real lack of genuine quality, such as we do, it is a bit silly and to then leave out a player of quality like Naka. McGeady was already out injured FFS, our only other quality player who can give you an outlet late on in a game when the legs are starting to go and you are under the cosh.

And obviously, we cannot compare ourselves to likes of Manure. Ferguson left out those players because they are a) in a stronger position than us in the group b ) they have a big game this weekend and c) they can afford to.

As for investment? Yer havin' a giraffe surely!! :yikes:

And just quickly to touch on your point about sacking Strachan. Firstly, no club sacks a manager without already having a replacement sounded out. As you said, we are Celtic. Who wouldn't want to come and manage a club like ours?

Anyway, I don't think we will sack him. He will walk.

Here's hoping anyway. :D
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When you have a real lack of genuine quality, such as we do, it is a bit silly and to then leave out a player of quality like Naka. McGeady was already out injured FFS, our only other quality player who can give you an outlet late on in a game when the legs are starting to go and you are under the cosh.


Not really silly at all and no one would have batted an eyelid had the score stayed 1-0.

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And obviously, we cannot compare ourselves to likes of Manure.  Ferguson left out those players because they are a) in a stronger position than us in the group b ) they have a big game this weekend and c) they can afford to.


Again, they still needed those players when they were desperately chasing an equaliser, we very nearly saw out the game without Naka playing.

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As for investment?  Yer havin' a giraffe surely!! :yikes:


Nope, deadly serious.

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And just quickly to touch on your  point about sacking Strachan.  Firstly, no club sacks a manager without already having a replacement sounded out.  As you said, we are Celtic.  Who wouldn't want to come and manage a club like ours? 


Well, if I was a football manager, I would be reluctant to go to a club that sacked a winning manager.

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Anyway, I don't think we will sack him.  He will walk. 

Here's hoping anyway.  :D


You can hope, I will stick to hoping he stays for a long time.
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Nov 7 2008, 04:55 PM
Well, if I was a football manager, I would be reluctant to go to a club that sacked a winning manager.

Roseanne, just to respond to people being reluctant to take the job and not whether or not Strachan should stay which I dont want to get into, no manager gives a toss about how the previous manager was sacked at a big club.

If they did then the Barca and R Madrid jobs would be constantly available, places where winning the CL cant guarantee job safety. Chelsea didnt think twice about getting rid of Mourinho depsite being in the wilderness before he arrived.

If someone wanted the Celtic job they would take it regardless.
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Nov 7 2008, 06:38 PM
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Nov 7 2008, 04:55 PM
Well, if I was a football manager, I would be reluctant to go to a club that sacked a winning manager.

Roseanne, just to respond to people being reluctant to take the job and not whether or not Strachan should stay which I dont want to get into, no manager gives a toss about how the previous manager was sacked at a big club.

If they did then the Barca and R Madrid jobs would be constantly available, places where winning the CL cant guarantee job safety. Chelsea didnt think twice about getting rid of Mourinho depsite being in the wilderness before he arrived.

If someone wanted the Celtic job they would take it regardless.

Barca and Real Madrid are not in a footballing backwater so you are not comparing like with like. If you want an example from this backwater, Burley was sacked from Hearts after being unbeaten in the league (I think it was only 10 games or something he was there! :nuts:)

I saw WGS's interview, well brief interview, after we won the league last season and I honestly thought he was going to quit on air with the way he was speaking. :blink: I wouldn't have blamed him if he had because, really, he has had some diabolical stick from certain quarters which, whether you rate him as good enough for Celtic or not (I do!), was completely uncalled for and way over the top. He sounded hurt in that interview, that was what I got from it and, really, I was embarrassed.

Celtic are not going to sack a manager who is winning leagues and bringing us success, nor should they! Even if he was to lose the league on occasions, he should and probably would get at least the next season to get the chance to win it back.

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Nov 7 2008, 07:23 PM
Lubomir No.25
Nov 7 2008, 06:38 PM
Roseanne
Nov 7 2008, 04:55 PM
Well, if I was a football manager, I would be reluctant to go to a club that sacked a winning manager.

Roseanne, just to respond to people being reluctant to take the job and not whether or not Strachan should stay which I dont want to get into, no manager gives a toss about how the previous manager was sacked at a big club.

If they did then the Barca and R Madrid jobs would be constantly available, places where winning the CL cant guarantee job safety. Chelsea didnt think twice about getting rid of Mourinho depsite being in the wilderness before he arrived.

If someone wanted the Celtic job they would take it regardless.

Barca and Real Madrid are not in a footballing backwater so you are not comparing like with like. If you want an example from this backwater, Burley was sacked from Hearts after being unbeaten in the league (I think it was only 10 games or something he was there! :nuts:)

I saw WGS's interview, well brief interview, after we won the league last season and I honestly thought he was going to quit on air with the way he was speaking. :blink: I wouldn't have blamed him if he had because, really, he has had some diabolical stick from certain quarters which, whether you rate him as good enough for Celtic or not (I do!), was completely uncalled for and way over the top. He sounded hurt in that interview, that was what I got from it and, really, I was embarrassed.

Celtic are not going to sack a manager who is winning leagues and bringing us success, nor should they! Even if he was to lose the league on occasions, he should and probably would get at least the next season to get the chance to win it back.

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I wasn't arguing that Celtic were going to sack him, I'm simply saying there would be a queue of managers down London Road if they did. 'Footballing backwater' does not come into it, we are a huge club and we offer the chance of trophies and European football every season. History has shown the Celtic job can lead to EPL jobs, these reasons alone would make the job extremely attractive to ambitous and successful managers. It is doing MON no disservice to say that he must have been thinking about his next move should he have broght success to Celtic, and had Leeds not been going into eventual liquadation who knows what might have happened there.

The Hearts situation is incomparable, as are all clubs with an egotistical owner who meddles in team affairs. Burley got the boot because he told Mad Vlad where to go over team selections.

The Barca, Madrid and Chelsea comparisons are there because, despite success, these guys were sacked due to the lack of entertaining football yet someone else was willing to fill these guys shoes.

Again this is not a debate about Strachan staying or going, just that people would not be reluctant to join if Celtic ever went about the above route. Re. the abuse Strachan gets, some of it is out of order and despite my feelings yo-yoing over him over the course of his tenure I've never wanted to see him personably abused. At the end of every season I hope he goes with the goodwill of everyone as more often than not the football is not to my, or a lot of others taste, although to his credit this season since the Huns pumped us we have been playing some nice stuff.
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