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| Poppies on shirts; This doesn't sit well with me at all | |
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| Mainser | Oct 29 2008, 04:29 PM Post #1 |
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SPL sides to mark Remembrance Day with poppy shirts Oct 29 2008 EVERY SPL team will wear special Remembrance Day jerseys next week. The tribute will take place after poppy appeal organisers wrote to the 12 clubs asking them to wear the one-off kit - and all agreed. Some clubs will have a small red poppy woven in to team jerseys on the day. Others will make their own tribute with players sporting a stick-on poppy. Referees, their assistants and fourth officials will also join in the tribute by wearing a poppy on their outfits. The jerseys will be worn in SPL matches to be played over the weekend of November 8-9. Remembrance Sunday falls on November 9 this year. A spokeswoman for Poppyscotland, who used to be known as the Earl Haig Fund Scotland, said: "All the SPL clubs are involved and all their players will wear the special Scottish poppy which will greatly increase public awareness of the poppy appeal." Last year, Hearts wore a special strip when they played a Remembrance Day match against Aberdeen at Tynecastle. The decision was taken to honour the players of the legendary Hearts squad of season 1914-15, who died in World War I. The club's entire first team squad had enlisted with the 16th Royal Scots, a battalion known as McCrae's Own. Seven died in service. The strip worn by the Hearts players in 2007 had the names of the dead - John Allan, James Boyd, Duncan Currie, Ernest Ellis, Thomas Gracie, James Speedie and Harry Wattie - embroidered into the sleeve. The jersey also had a poppy on the chest. Remembrance Day commemorates the sacrifices of members of the armed forces and of civilians since World War I. Poppyscotland support war veterans and their dependants in Scotland. Last year the appeal raised a record s1.76million. Apologies for the source, but it's in today's record allegedly (I won't check it myself) As someone who will never wear a poppy as I feel it somehow glorifies war then I think it should be up to individual players to decide whether they want to do this. I have no problem making financial contributions to ex-servicemen per se as in reality most are pawns used by the government of the day, especially in this case where the poppy signifies armistice day in WWI, but surely no player should be forced to wear it, just as no one should be forced to go to war as many were
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| desachi | Oct 29 2008, 05:00 PM Post #2 |
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Agreed with Mainser here. My understanding is that Remembrance Day doesn't commemorate only WWI, it is a celebration of all wars, including colonial adventures (in the north of Ireland as well) and reinforces the "glory" of war and the armed services in this age as well.As is always said, the first casualty of war is the truth, and the government propaganda machine is in full swing as they can't get people who are willing to join up for the current wave of foreign misadventures. From discipline in schools being outsourced to the Army, to the cadets programme being opened up to comprehensive schools, to those dafty wee ads all over the telly and billboards, to the BBC's fascination with all things martial these days, those who want to be abroad stealing other people's things in the name of freedom and democracy are in full realisation that there is a serious shortfall in willing army recruits. I think the next steps, to manage the shortfall will be a wee look back to history, and the use of those in prisons for certain offences being offered their service in the military to offset sentences, and of course the armed services taking over more of the education sector. Pretty shameful really. Or they could just get foreign fighters and try and get away with paying them nothing (the Gurkhas) or foreign mercenaries who now make up a significant percentage of the SAS. War is a good distraction from a society that is rapidly falling apart. Plenty of victims to be had yet. :unsure: As for the subject (had to do the rant), I think it is just silly to make it compulsory, why not just make it optional. What next? Union Jacks on shirts?
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| Doc67 | Oct 29 2008, 05:00 PM Post #3 |
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I just dont understand how Reid can down the fans for their Political beliefs (keep Politics out of football -J.Reid October Celtic AGM) and then turn round and ram this down our throats? This and his display at half time v hibs! These JR times are indeed sad and troubled times for our club and it threatens to rip our support into 2 factions! |
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| desachi | Oct 29 2008, 05:03 PM Post #4 |
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What happened at half time against Hibs Doc? As for Reid, spot on. Hypocritical bassa. But then again he sings rebel songs and supports Celtic, so he must be OK. :rolleyes: |
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| Jinty | Oct 29 2008, 05:06 PM Post #5 |
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exactly.....the 'politics' issue gets wheeled out whenever it suits them :angry: from reading various celtic forums I'd say our support is already spilt down the middle.....from the appointment of JR to the opinions on our manager |
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| Doc67 | Oct 29 2008, 05:07 PM Post #6 |
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There was a video on the big screen at half time and some kind of speech dedicated to a Celtic supporting British Soldier who was killed in Afghanistan. THere was a round of applause for this but many fans were stunned by this. OK a young fella was killed and thats a shame but surely there is no place for this kind of thing at our ground?? If thats the case, lets remember all the fallen Celtic fans who have fought for Irelands cause!!! |
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| desachi | Oct 29 2008, 05:16 PM Post #7 |
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Shocking so it is. Exactly right, why not talk about Celtic fans who died in all sorts of wars, many at the hands of British soldiers? This is getting too much for me. The fact that they think they can get away with it as well. :banghead: Bust of the Queen next? Wee portrait for the dressing room? Playing Dam Busters before kick off? Pathetic, truly pathetic. Celtic, the rebel's choice? Shocking so it is. :banghead: |
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| Jinty | Oct 29 2008, 05:24 PM Post #8 |
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We're fast becoming Sell-out-tic :angry: |
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| groucho bhoy | Oct 29 2008, 05:33 PM Post #9 |
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load of pish. first we were subjected to a tribute to some war mongering mercenary who caught a bullet in a place he should never have been and now we're to sit and watch our strip get defaced with the emblem of the fund that keeps the murderers who trotted round ireland killing the people, many of whom were celtic fans. where was the memorial to them?where's the easter lily for the dead volunteers that supported celtic? once again, the board accepts that politics and football are linked, but only certain politics. if they must indulge this, use a white poppy and remember all the dead teenagers and young men who were victims of these wars and remember the civillians who died as the result of brutality on both sides. why should i remember london and clydebank (and bear in mind my granny lost her home and many of her friends here) but not dresden? it's mindless glorification and serves only to perpetuate war. forget people putting on a plastic flower, if the earl haig fund was serious they'd be educating people about the flawed misadventures and imperialistic jaunts of the british army and saying 'stop this nonsense'. instead they say, 'remember this nonsense'. |
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| Wiggy | Oct 29 2008, 09:16 PM Post #10 |
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I agree that the red poppy seems to glorify war, and like Groucho I would prefer the white poppy, which remembers the civilians who lost their lives as a consequence of war, and promotes other ways of solving conflicts : http://www.whitepoppy.org.uk/ I had not heard about the "incident" during the Hibs game, but I find it very strange that Celtic chooses to glorify the war in Afghanistan like that. Afghanistan doesn't need more war - there has been more than enough during the last 30 years. The money which are currently used on the war would be better spent on reconstruction of the country. |
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| desachi | Oct 29 2008, 09:52 PM Post #11 |
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I actually find the pressures of wearing the red poppy quite unbelievable at times. There is something wrong with the whole thing if so many people seem to feel the need to wear it, or attract castigation. Especially in the case of public figures, I don't quite understand why this isn't included on the "PC list" of things that people take offence to. Oh well, can't expect consistency there then. As for Afghanistan, so many nations have tried to invade and conquer and it has never worked, and I can't see this being anything other than another home win. Whatever was wrong with the idea that people should have the right to self determination without people interfering from the outside and trying to impose their values on everyone else. Can you imagine the uproar if someone came to"help" the UK as it has a problem with drink related offences?
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| groucho bhoy | Oct 29 2008, 09:59 PM Post #12 |
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uproar nothing, des! there's only one 'drinking offence' here and that's price. if someone want to invade us and make it cheaper then you're looking at collaborator numero uno!
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| desachi | Oct 29 2008, 10:05 PM Post #13 |
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:pmsl: I should have seen that coming shouldn't I? I'd love to see John Reid parachuted into Kandahar (not the fortified air base) but the rest of the "pacified" area and see how he copes. Now that would be reality TV worth watching. He could teach the Taleban rebel songs and hand out free poppies. :cheer: |
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| groucho bhoy | Oct 29 2008, 10:15 PM Post #14 |
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i'd love to see him parachute in too. only to find out that it was just a rucksack halfway down.
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| tigergerry | Oct 30 2008, 12:14 AM Post #15 |
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AND THERES ME THINKING THIS IS THE CELTIC-END .COM :wtf?: MAYBE YOU SHOULD START UP A POLITICAL NEW SECTION OF THE FORUM COME ON YOU LOT THINK ABOUT IT
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My understanding is that Remembrance Day doesn't commemorate only WWI, it is a celebration of all wars, including colonial adventures (in the north of Ireland as well) and reinforces the "glory" of war and the armed services in this age as well.
What next? Union Jacks on shirts?



