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Tuesday 21st Oct 08 v Man Utd
Topic Started: Oct 18 2008, 02:09 PM (799 Views)
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Villareal 5 - Aalborg 3 :blink:
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At least the Villareal game is entertaining !!

Has Celtic had any open chances so far ?
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Villareal 6 - Aalborg 3 :clap:
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Wiggy
Oct 21 2008, 10:25 PM
Villareal 6 - Aalborg 3 :clap:

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did the goalies turn up?
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Don't think the goalies can be blamed for any of the goals -
most of them were due to sloppy defending.

BTW Capdevillas goal to 2-1 was a peach !! :thumbs.up:
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First half I thought we were coasting, but then we lost two offside goals.

Can`t complain, as I thought they were miles better than us overall considering the options we had. That however only showed once they had their obligatory decision or two in this case.

However..
Naylor should never wear a Celtic shirt again after tonight. He is championship subsitute class at best. I would rather play Conroy or anyone else and at least give youth a chance. You simply cannot play against CL teams with ten men, and he played marginally better than in Spain, but a one legged bat could have played better that night ffs.

Best player on the park for us tonight I would say was Caldwell, although Aiden gave us ten minutes, but when it was too late and they had relaxed.
I think I can see a pattern in our away games. We lose posession so cheaply and the ball travels back at lightning speed. The training for these games has to be adapted to the old way of "if we have the ball they cannot score!"

Any statistitions out there who can tell me how many throw in`s they got that they should not have? A few blatant decisions and to cop that what about when moaning face Neville caught the ball in midfield!?

Not sure what Celtic could have done differently tonight. The only thing that may come out of this is that both Jan and Sammy will be back fit for the SPL which is my priority.
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FT 3-0

och well......at least one goal wasn't offside!

can't comment too on how we played as I couldn't see the 2nd half :angry:

....but at the mo I'm thinking bugger it, it's the league that counts :thumbs.up:
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The game has become a non-event since the second (dodgy) goal, Naylor keeps getting caught out time and time again and I am about to start an online petition about how Caldwell should never be allowed near the Celtic midfield again. The football equivalent of a fullstop. Add to that a caveat about Scott McDonald not playing up front on his own... ever.

We just can't keep the ball and all our problems are coming from that. The fact that WGS took off the one player who can actually control a ball and then pass it (Naka) makes me wonder if he really knows what he is doing to be honest.

Was just thinking about how, only a few years ago you could go through the Celtic side and see ten outfield players who all had a bit of something about them and now we seem to have no presence at all. I don't blame the players here to be honest. We have to be realistic here and realise that if we don't have the personnel then we can't play a certain type of football. Can't keep the ball, don't play a passing game. Simple as that.

All that said, it goes without saying that we were utterly robbed today. Coming to this game with so many injuries is one thing, but then having to play with those decisions going against us in the way they did sort of sums it all up. Our best player on the park today? Stephen McManus, well done the skipper. :thumbs.up:

End of the day it doesn't matter that we were harshly done by two really poor decisions, the fact is we conceded three on our travels in Europe and haven't scored a goal in the three games so far. Makes for poor reading. Those decisions changed the game though, and for us to get anything today we needed a wee bit of luck, something we never seem to get on the road.

Tactically inept inspite of the considerable injury list, exposed against a very good side who are clearly riding their luck and taking their chances.

Well done the support.. in great voice again. :clap:

Bring on the Hibees. :ynwa:
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blair7-1
Oct 21 2008, 09:41 PM
However..
Naylor should never wear a Celtic shirt again after tonight. He is championship subsitute class at best. I would rather play Conroy or anyone else and at least give youth a chance. You simply cannot play against CL teams with ten men, and he played marginally better than in Spain, but a one legged bat could have played better that night ffs.

Best player on the park for us tonight I would say was Caldwell, although Aiden gave us ten minutes, but when it was too late and they had relaxed.

Forgot about him. Shocking so he was. :yikes:

Caldwell was utterly mince mate. :banghead:
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just got told andy walker on clyde had naylor as motm! :blink:
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Oct 21 2008, 09:59 PM
just got told andy walker on clyde had naylor as motm! :blink:

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Honestly, Naylor was shocking, positionally and when he got into a position to cross the ball. He had his one moment of good play in the first half when Naka put him in and his cross led to Caldwell's shot that was saved well. Worst player on the park, with McDonald understandably running him close, and Loovens doing his bit as well in the competition. The big Dutchman was not to blame for any of the goals though, but I think Caldwell would have been a better bet for sure. Perhaps Loovens at rightback would have been a better move? :shrug:

I suppose it is easy to second guess it after the game but the reality of the situation is we are suffering from the decisions made in the summer with the lack of investment in the first team.

How sad is it that we are still looking at Caldwell and McManus as the best centre half pairing for Man Utd away in the CL? "Don't get your hopes up Celtic fans, we are poor" - c. Messrs Reid and Lawwell. I'll just know my place then, check all ambition at the door and think of myself as a plucky perennial loser. :rolleyes:
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4 years, 40+ signings down the line and the guts of £50m spunked up against a wall and the best defence strachan can give us is wilson, mcmanus, loovens/caldwell and naylor?

we're mugs.
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I will give you Naka Des, but the midfield in the first half were being run by Caldwell imo. Granted he didn`t do as well second half, but why play him in midfield when the other 999 games in his 1000 game Celtic career are at Centre half? :hmmm:
Played an untested Loovens at Centre, and should really have went with

Boruc, Wilson, Anyone, Mick, Caldwell, Brown, Hartley, Robson, Naka, Aiden and Maloney

Why did Mcdonald start and why at the expense of Maloney? Aiden`s skills are baffling, but he is very guilty of not doing the simple pass.

tonight would have been the night to give wee Caddis a run out.
I`m not biased. I don`t care who beats Rangers

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Oct 21 2008, 09:12 PM
4 years, 40+ signings down the line and the guts of £50m spunked up against a wall and the best defence strachan can give us is wilson, mcmanus, loovens/caldwell and naylor?

we're mugs.

Could turn that into 40 years of bad defensive signings with maybe four decent one`s mate, :D

Really pisses me off how year after year we fail to turn out defensive players of any great calibre, yet arguably have the pick of a vast percentage of Irish/ Scots youngsters.
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I see what you are saying blair regarding Caldwell and I agree, he should have played at the heart of the defence. All through that 1st half though, every time the ball came to him he played the wrong pass, and that holding role is all about playing the right pass, be it 10 yards either side or 5 yard to the man in front or behind you. Caldwell chose the wrong one time and time again.

Not his fault, he isn't a central midfielder, I think that is clear enough, but for me, it is the one area of the park we have better than him, be it with Hartley (who is actually used to playing the role) or even Donati who is, at least, a central midfielder and is no mug. Every CL game we say it time and time again, it is all about keeping the ball, he was exceptionally poor at it as per usual. He would have been well at home in the sieve of the early to mid 90s, Mike Galloway in disguise. Galloway had a better shot on him though. :thumbs.up:

Not sure about Caddis though, he has still a long way to go. We have Hinkel who has plenty of experience at a good level, I would always go for him first. All the problems go with holding the ball though, and we just don't do it. Might work in the SPL but what are our ambitions here? Simple question for those in positions of planning at the club. If it is just to win the league then fair enough, but if we are to advance then there is no excuse for not investing in the side. And as for lying to us twice yearly, how long before everyone cottons on? Not a wise move from the people who are the protectors of the heritage of the club.

I will probably feel better in the morning. :rolleyes:
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