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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 18 2011, 10:52 AM (1,003 Views) | |
| Orangesmoke20 | Jan 18 2011, 10:52 AM Post #1 |
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Too hot to handle.. too cold to hold... ohhhhhh yeahhhhh!!!
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NASCAR may scrap points system? NASCAR is considering scrapping the points system it has used since 1975 in favor of a simpler method that awards points per finishing position. The overhauling of the system is one of a handful of changes NASCAR is considering implementing before the season begins next month. Series officials have been detailing their ideas in individual meetings with teams. The sanctioning body wants to go to a scoring system that would award 43 points to the race winner, and one point less for each ensuing position down to one point for the 43rd-place finisher. NASCAR is also shying away from wholesale changes to its Chase for the Sprint Cup championship format. Teams have been told NASCAR is leaning toward keeping it a 12-driver field, with one caveat: The top 10 drivers following the 26th race of the season would qualify for the Chase, while the remaining two spots would go to the drivers with the most wins who are not already eligible for the Chase. Preseason testing begins Thursday at Daytona International Speedway, and NASCAR president Mike Helton and vice president of competition Robin Pemberton are scheduled to discuss some of the changes planned for 2011. But the major announcements aren't scheduled until next week when France makes a presentation during Charlotte Motor Speedway's annual media tour. NASCAR is still debating how to award bonuses under a straight points system, and ideas being considered are for anywhere from one to three points being given to lap leaders and race winners.(in part from the Associated Press)(1-17-2011) |
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| The Dale | Jan 18 2011, 03:34 PM Post #2 |
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4-Time Nightly FEDEx Heat Champion
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Umm..wow. |
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| Gordon Owns | Jan 18 2011, 04:47 PM Post #3 |
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Babe
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This would be the proverbial nail in the coffin for NASCAR. I almost want they to do this so Brian France can see NASCAR crumble entirely from his high tower. |
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| Lord Diddy | Jan 18 2011, 06:02 PM Post #4 |
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Its a race between Brian France and Jimmie/Chad to see who can bury the sport first. Jimmie took a nice leap this season but France just put him in check. Youre move Jimmie |
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| Nate | Jan 18 2011, 08:49 PM Post #5 |
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I don't really see this as being a big deal I like the old point system and I think this one could be good also. The glaring hole in the plan is still the chase. I would gladly take this points system if it meant no more chase. I would be even happier if they went back to the pre chase system altogether. |
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| Gordon Owns | Jan 18 2011, 09:06 PM Post #6 |
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Babe
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The big deal is that it is a shitty point system. With no room for improving your hard earned points. You raced hard, you win the race and all you get is 48 points all the while the guy that finishes second only loses 1 point. You race all day to just gain 1 or 3 points? That point system is seriously flawed. Lets say Jimmie wins a race, that's 48 points. Denny finishes second. That would put him second with 47 points only 1 point behind. Say Denny wrecks and finishes last, he gets 1 point while Jimmie finishes 2nd or 3rd. Those are points Denny wont ever see gained as long as Jimmie finished better then him throughout the season. That means Denny wont make up any ground or if he does it will be only single digit points. Like I said, no room to gain anything even if you win because you're only getting 1 point more then the second place guy. Edited by Gordon Owns, Jan 18 2011, 09:08 PM.
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| Nate | Jan 18 2011, 09:43 PM Post #7 |
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48 points? you mean 43? It really isn't alot different from now.
That is really an absurd comment. Even with the old system Denny can't finish behind Jimmie and gain points on him ![]() really all they are doing is increasing the value of each point by lowering the number if anything this will be a better system for determining the best driver (Possibly). Like I said this isn't a horrible move but rather an unnecesary one. I would still prefer 2003 scoring or earlier. |
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| Gordon Owns | Jan 18 2011, 10:05 PM Post #8 |
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Babe
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Dude maybe you should read my post again. Where in my post did I say Denny would gain points on Jimmie? I said quite the opposite. And 48 points is the maxed points you would get under this system according to some other article I read. Edited by Gordon Owns, Jan 18 2011, 10:06 PM.
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| Nascarfan977 | Jan 18 2011, 10:06 PM Post #9 |
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If they want to try to stop Jimmie from winning the championship just go back to the way the points were in 2003. He never won a title under that format. |
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| Gordon Owns | Jan 18 2011, 10:09 PM Post #10 |
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Babe
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tom_bowles/01/18/NASCAR.points.system/ |
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| Ram Jam | Jan 18 2011, 10:18 PM Post #11 |
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Nice to see they offered the max points in a race as a tribute to Jimmie. |
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| Lord Diddy | Jan 18 2011, 10:35 PM Post #12 |
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You caught that too? Love it
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| Gordon Owns | Jan 18 2011, 10:36 PM Post #13 |
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Babe
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They went with 24 but realized it was too low a number.
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| Nate | Jan 18 2011, 10:38 PM Post #14 |
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Either way my point is no matter how many points they use the standings are still going to be really close to the same no matter what. The top guys really wont see a difference. this really will only affect guys 20th in points or worse since they typically run in the bottom half of the feild if one of them manages a top 10 they will gain a ton of positions. Other than that it is pretty much the same thing just different point values. |
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| Gordon Owns | Jan 18 2011, 10:44 PM Post #15 |
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Nate the difference from gaining 25-50 points on the leader is more significant then gaining 1 or 3 points. In your world that's not a big difference? It will take a guy basically the whole season to gain what he lost in one race. If a guy finishes in the back pack and the other wins you're gonna lose your lead. |
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| Nate | Jan 18 2011, 10:54 PM Post #16 |
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I get what your saying and I am telling you that it doesn't matter because it doesn't work like that. It is all a perception thing. You perceive it to be a larger gap when in reality it is the exact same. I don't really know how to get that point across to you either you will get it or you wont. It is still the EXACT same as the old system without a few extra points between each position. |
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| Ram Jam | Jan 18 2011, 11:12 PM Post #17 |
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48*4=192 The last race of the season Carl got 195 points. Instead of a 5 point difference per position now they are getting a 1 point difference. They just slashed everything by 20-25%. I mean it will be a little different, but losing 70 points for example in a race is awful too, but it can be made up. 70 points is what 14, 16 spots. With this new proposal you will be losing 14 or 16 points. The top guys will still finish at the top 90% of the time so the difference to them will be nothing. |
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| Ram Jam | Jan 18 2011, 11:15 PM Post #18 |
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Jimmie finished 2nd and got 175. Second place now with one lap led=43 points. 43*4=172 |
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| Orangesmoke20 | Jan 18 2011, 11:17 PM Post #19 |
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Too hot to handle.. too cold to hold... ohhhhhh yeahhhhh!!!
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i get what your trying to say nate but under the old way not all the positions had an even spread it starts with a 5 point gap then 4 then 3 so if anything its going to be harder for the leader to pull away |
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| Ram Jam | Jan 18 2011, 11:17 PM Post #20 |
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Wait wouldn't this be 49? 43+1+2+3=49 Or would the one point be included in the 2 for leading the most laps? |
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| Nate | Jan 18 2011, 11:25 PM Post #21 |
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Exactly it will make some differences but they are so small it is really nothing to complain about. Like I said I still just want the 03 system in place just like everyone else. |
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| Nate | Jan 18 2011, 11:26 PM Post #22 |
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I assume it is 1 for a lap led and 1 more for the most. just like the current system 5 for 1 and 5 for the most. |
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| Ram Jam | Jan 18 2011, 11:28 PM Post #23 |
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I want everyone to get a participation trophy so they all stop crying like children. |
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| Orangesmoke20 | Jan 18 2011, 11:29 PM Post #24 |
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Too hot to handle.. too cold to hold... ohhhhhh yeahhhhh!!!
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best idea yet |
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| Nate | Jan 19 2011, 12:15 AM Post #25 |
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So since I was bored I figured out what the top 12 of the new proposed points system would be and match it against the old points system. Old Points System Harvick 5274 Johnson 4989 Hamlin 4865 Edwards 4820 Gordon 4669 Ky.Busch 4647 Kenseth 4640 Stewart 4628 Ku.Busch 4459 Burton 4423 Biffle 4414 Bowyer 4376 Proposed Points System Harvick 1258 Johnson 1156 Hamlin 1137 Edwards 1137 Gordon 1118 Kenseth 1102 Ky.Busch 1100 Stewart 1077 Biffle 1034 Burton 1033 Ku.Busch 1031 Bowyer 1014 there are a few differences but like I figured it is pretty much the same just some minor differences that don't really affect anything too important. It just goes to show no matter what value they use for the points the problem is the chase but everyone already knows that anyway. |
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