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LOST is WTF; *contains spoilers*
Topic Started: May 23 2010, 10:32 PM (424 Views)
Gordon Owns
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What the fucking fuck?

Awesome, wierd, and I'm still confused.
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saw that ending from a mile away


Okay not really but still this sucks :( I think it was all a dream/purgatory
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also i never got my explanation for the god damn polar bear!
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They answered the Polar Bear deal like seasons ago. lol

They were Dharma experiments on Behavioral or some shit like that. They used them to move that wheel when needed.

What gets me is that the producers said it they're not dead and the ending seriously contradic that.
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shit, musta missed that episode lol
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I got the fact they were supposed to be dead when Christian said "why are you here?" But the more he and Jack talked the more confused I got, it got to the point I started to think they weren't dead...that can't be the reaction they were gunning for.
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^ Guess we have to watch Jimmy Kimmel Live in about 5 minutes to found out more.

I hope the producers clear the ending abit better cuz yeah I'm scratching my head still.

If that was purgotory or whatever what was the point of the smoke monster? I mean, was he the devil or some shit? lol :screwy:
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Saw this on another site and it made a lot of sense to me.

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jack saved the island, life goes on for those who escaped. Hurley is the new jacob and ben was his aid. They all die at some point, some during the show, some after. The sideways is the afterlife or some form of purgatory until you are aready to move on. They all came together in the afterlife as it was their most important time together or some shit.

That is why hurley says "you would a good number two" to ben. And why kate "missed" jack so much, since she lived a full life after he died


This was also nice.
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Although poor Jack's kid is now an orphan, he went from 2 doctor parents to orphan in like 2 minutes. Is Jack's kid gonna grow up to be Batman?
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Yeah but where does Penny fit in that theory?

She never was on the island so she's not dead but is in the sideways life somehow? Ummm

Ah fuck this. lol
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She was attached to Desmond and she died eventually...so...I guess they stretch for it maybe...
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I am working but I dvr'ed. It better not be a half-assed ending. When i was watching "the Pilot" yesterday I was thinking that they could've gone in a better direction and KEPT their viewers. Like a search party a la "Cast Away" with different story lines. It's like ever since the 1st episode we was hoping they'd get rescued, but they got us deep on some weird bullshit. I watched seasons 1 and 2 and this last one. Not interested on watching the in-between seasons.
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May 23 2010, 11:27 PM
She was attached to Desmond and she died eventually...so...I guess they stretch for it maybe...
Yea. Everything that happened on the island was real. That was their "true" lives. The events that was runnin parallel in the show (everything involvin the plane NOT crashing) was "purgatory". They basically made that world so they could all find each other when they all died and cross over together since they were all connected. So on the island they weren't dead and they didnt have to die on the island to enter purgatory. Its assumed everyone the plane made it home or died along the way i guess and Penny and Aaron died some years later in their own lives.

Im glad they gave a real endin and didnt cliff hang it. Def gonna miss this show :(
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cool i was half right with my purgatory assessment :) and ditto to that last statement :up:

It sucks everything I like has ended or about to end. I'll miss you Lost and i'll miss you too King of the Hill lol
Edited by MartinMan, May 24 2010, 12:25 PM.
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Yeah 24 ends tonight as well.

I have no shows left after tonight. :(
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24 movie is rumored to go into production just so you know
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Yeah but that's going to be a one time thing and god only knows when it will come out.

In the meantime all I got is NASCAR now. Lame.
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thank god i still have my cartoons or i'd go even crazier than usual

buthey i still have at least one show on air that should last for sometime..

Spartacus Blood and Sand :cooljoe:
Edited by MartinMan, May 24 2010, 12:52 PM.
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Oh yeah theres that but the dude has some type of cancer so that show has been postponed until he gets better.

True Blood season 3 is also close at hand. I dont have HBO so I'm gonna have to download the eps as they come out.
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Jack's AJ Style's-esque flying forearm impressed me.
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Yes me too.

But I must say I was dissapointed when they came back from the break and he got clotheslined. lol

It would have been awesome if he would have connect the punch.

Also here is some explanation by a producer that worked on LOST.

I highly reccomend you read the whole thing. Pretty much an eye opener.

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"First ...
The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him -- even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma -- which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector -- I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least -- because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events -- not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith -- and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died -- some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch -- basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church -- but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder -- the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless 1/2 hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story -- even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding"
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I was wondering if I had just missed Lupidis in the church, guess not. He may of been my favorite character followed closely by Hurley.
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May 25 2010, 07:59 PM
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Jack's AJ Style's-esque flying forearm impressed me.
Jack finally findin his manhood after like 6 seasons was nice to see
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May 25 2010, 08:36 PM
I was wondering if I had just missed Lupidis in the church, guess not. He may of been my favorite character followed closely by Hurley.
Yea when he was found alive I was like :o woooo! lol. Although Locke was by far my favorite.

So basically what I said was right lol. I figured the rest didnt "crossover" cause they weren't ready as Desmond said
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That's a good point never though about Michael never being able to leave the island.

Also Jack's son didn't actually exist so sorry David no Batman
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