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| Ram Jam | Feb 25 2009, 04:03 PM Post #26 |
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College may not mean a lot, but it says a lot if you can't even be a starter there. Of course ask Rob Johnson how that one season wonder thing works out. |
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| Orangesmoke20 | Feb 25 2009, 04:15 PM Post #27 |
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Too hot to handle.. too cold to hold... ohhhhhh yeahhhhh!!!
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rob johnson had 1 good season? |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 25 2009, 04:32 PM Post #28 |
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He had enough of one apparently.
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| Orangesmoke20 | Feb 25 2009, 04:34 PM Post #29 |
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Too hot to handle.. too cold to hold... ohhhhhh yeahhhhh!!!
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was that the one were he was benched in favor of the midget who was too washed up to play in the cfl anymore?.. but even if your right and cassel turns out to be a 1 season wonder hes still 1 up on leinhart lol |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 25 2009, 04:40 PM Post #30 |
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Rob Johnson played in the CFL? I figured he just sucked enough in Buffalo nobody would hire him after they released him. Maybe you'd prefer the white Daunte Culpeper then? But anyway there is a lot of difference in taking over a previously 18-1 team in your first starting season and the Arizona Cardinals of 3 seasons ago. |
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| Orangesmoke20 | Feb 25 2009, 04:42 PM Post #31 |
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Too hot to handle.. too cold to hold... ohhhhhh yeahhhhh!!!
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no |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 25 2009, 04:43 PM Post #32 |
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Nevermind I read that wrong. |
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| Orangesmoke20 | Feb 25 2009, 04:51 PM Post #33 |
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Too hot to handle.. too cold to hold... ohhhhhh yeahhhhh!!!
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either way cassel to the 9ers is an upgrade at qb... leinhardt to denver is a sideways step at best i mean i dunno who the back up is for cutler but still lol |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 25 2009, 04:58 PM Post #34 |
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He may be a sidestep at best, but he certainly has a better attitude than Cutler and doesn't pout everytime something doesn't go his way. That may infuriate me more than the mistakes. I mean the guy has shown flashes of brilliance, but when he does something wrong it seems to throw him off so much. The backup is Patrick Ramsey. I heard Shaun Hill was the man the Niners need, not Matt Cassell.
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| Orangesmoke20 | Feb 25 2009, 05:00 PM Post #35 |
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Too hot to handle.. too cold to hold... ohhhhhh yeahhhhh!!!
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probably going to wind up being neither |
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| JetBlack3 | Feb 25 2009, 07:11 PM Post #36 |
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Shaun Hill is the man. The next Steve Young |
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| McLarenCrazy | Feb 26 2009, 11:45 AM Post #37 |
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All I know is that you should want Cutler over Leinart. I don't know if it is Cutler pouting some much as that is just his natural facial expression that makes it seem like he is pouting. I mean Leinart has talent is he as good as Cutler I don't know because I have never seen too much of either especially since someone is afraid of watching the Broncos or thinks he is cursing them. Cutler cares about the game regardless if he does whine some. Leinart cares more about the perks like celebrity and partying and they say that is one reason he can't beat out Kurt so you are going to move him to Denver which is quite the party city actually? |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 26 2009, 12:29 PM Post #38 |
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I don't feel like I'm cursing them. I know how they play and how they do things so I'd just rather not get upset when they blow a 10 point lead with 2 minutes left in the game. How many times have I been told: "Don't worry Denver will win this." "They got this one David." "I know there's still time left, but they won't give up that much of a lead." "They can hold this division lead they're up by 4 with 4 to go." And everytime I say yes they will and they do. As for facial expression, it is not his normal actions to stomp off the field like a 6 year old girl with his lip poked out like that. Well actually it wasn't at one point, the way they played towards the end of the season it became his normal facial expression. As for Matt, Matt can't beat Kurt because Kurt is one of the best qb's in the league now and Leinart hasn't played one whole season yet to gain any experience. Cutler couldn't beat Warner either in a fair contest (like they tried to do with Leinart). Leinart has changed his attitude a lot since he came in the league. At first partying was what he cared most about, but I believe he has grown up some in the last season since everyone has been calling him a bust and he lost his job to Warner so publicly. Who knows maybe Cutler will grow up some too, but I haven't seen either one lead their team to the playoffs. People love Cutler because he puts up such great numbers, but they seem to forget numbers don't always equal wins. Jake Plummer didn't put up anything more than average numbers and he lead the team to the AFC championship and gave Tom Brady his first career playoff loss in his final full season. He had the third best winning % of a qb when he was playing right behind Brady and Rothlesberger. Cutler has had 2 seasons with great numbers and no playoff appearances and his best record is 8-8. |
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| McLarenCrazy | Feb 26 2009, 07:55 PM Post #39 |
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Yeah well hold on there, Jake had played a lot more years than Cutler to reach the point where he could win anything, it was like his 10th season when he pulled that win against the Patriots. Plus I haven't seen Cutler storm off the field like a little girl, I mean he does have to be the leader on a fairly young offensive team. |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 26 2009, 08:47 PM Post #40 |
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I'm not expecting greatness, but I would like to see a winning season. Jake pulled that off in his first season in Denver. Did he have more experience? Absolutely and that does mean a lot. However Jake had the same team that Cutler went 7-9 with last year and took them to the playoffs (but I chalked that up to not knowing about the diabetes and that impacting his play). This year the defense played a lot worse but was mostly the same guys. However around mid season Cutler and the offense fell apart and weren't doing anything and the defense carried the team for a few weeks. Eventually the offense came back (but not to where it was) but then the defense fell apart again. Now Brandon Marshall & Eddie Royal are better than the recievers Jake had his last couple years since McCaffrey had retired and Rod Smith was hurt, so it's not even like Plummer had more talent around him. The running game was hurt a lot this year, but even then the backs weren't especially talented. |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 26 2009, 11:14 PM Post #41 |
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Kurt Warner is testing free agency. He sure would look good in blue and orange.
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| McLarenCrazy | Feb 27 2009, 10:49 AM Post #42 |
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You are aware that the Broncos only scored less than 17 points in three games this year right. I mean that's not on Cutler and the offense that's the defense. If you are averaging 24 or so points like the Broncos did the you should make the playoffs that is unless your defense is allowing 30 points. All I'm saying is Cutler needs time to mature but I think he will turn into the qb that they need. As for comparing him to Jake Plummer: Plummer played 10 seasons in 5 of those seasons he threw more INT than TD and in one other season he threw an equal number of TD and INT. Jake had one great season with the Broncos and the rest were pretty much average. Point is that Cutler could easily do better than Plummer if given a half decent defense around him. Plus with Josh McDaniels being an offensive guy they could become even more dangerous on offense and they were already second in the league behind the Saints and like you said that was with a non-existant running game. |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 27 2009, 11:02 AM Post #43 |
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Like I said before it doesn't matter how many td's to int's you throw if you don't win. Look at Brett Farve he's the all time int leader and td leader, and more often than not he won just like Plummer. Stats can mean a lot of things, you have to go back and look at when h threw those int's and td's. Did he throw 4 in one game or did he throw them across 2 games? Season stats don't always give a complete story about how you played. At one point in 04 he went months without throwing an int. Then when he finally threw one he threw like 3 the next game. Also he only threw more ints than td's once in Denver and that was his last season before they benched him. Also it doesn't matter how many td's you throw if you throw an int at a critical moment and Jay did several times this season and it cost them dearly. Sure the defense sucked but when Denver scores three or four times early on in the game and then punts the ball on every other possession after three or four plays it doesn't help the defense. |
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| McLarenCrazy | Feb 27 2009, 11:24 AM Post #44 |
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True you do have to look at the situation, however there were times when Cutler was scoring all game like against Cleveland however the game was almost lost by the defense who couldn't stop Brady Quinn. Also I think it was 2005 or 2006 when Plummer did that streak and that is when they beat the Patriots and lost to the Steelers. In that game vs the Steelers he had 4 turnovers. I realize wins are more important than stats, I was just using the stats to justify why the wins and losses occur. Also the Broncos didn't just throw up 28 points in the first quarter and call it a game. Here are their wins and losses in Denver: Plummer's win/loss in Denver: 10-6 (2003) 10-6 (2004) 13-3 (2005) 9-7 (2006) Cutler's win/loss: 9-7 (2006) 7-9 (2007) 8-8 (2008) Plummer's win/loss in Arizona first 6 seasons: 1997 4-12 (didn't play all the games) 1998 9-7 1999 6-10 (missed 4-5 games) 2000 3-13 2001 7-9 2002 5-11 Doesn't look a whole like different than Cutler because if you gave Arizona a little more offensive potency in those years they would have been this years Broncos cause neither had defense. I mean even in 2001 he went 7-9 and that was with experience and a team that wasn't much worse on offense and probably similar or better on defense than Denver this year. You should be happy it looks like Cutler may be the next Plummer instead of Elway. Edited by McLarenCrazy, Feb 27 2009, 11:26 AM.
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| Ram Jam | Feb 27 2009, 11:44 AM Post #45 |
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That Cardinals team was no where close to this years Denver team on offense, though the defense was similar. They had nothing other than Plummer. They were the joke of the league for a reason. That 9-7 season was the first winning season in over 15 years for the Cardinals and also gave them their their first NFL playoff victory since the AFL/NFL merger. Sure he had a bad game against Pittsburgh a lot of teams did, that's why they won the title that year. In 06 when Denver won 9 games Cutler won 1 at most in the 7 or 8 he started. I may be giving him the benefit of the doubt on that. But I chalked that up to being a rookie. Last year was diabetes. This year was no defense. At what point do I run out of excuses for him. Looking at Jake's records I didn't have to make any excuses while he was in Denver. He got to the playoffs and met with a much better team and either he had a bad game or the rest of the team fell apart and they lost. No shame in that. However to struggle to 8-8 when you had a guy that consistantly got you 10 wins and sent him away is rediculous. Also the Browns game wasn't just the defense. Cutler won it at the end with that big td to Marshall, but he and the offense couldn't move the ball from like halftime until the last 2 drives. That let Cleveland back into it and almost gave them the win. They had several of their losses this year come from big leads they had that were wittled away and then they couldn't score again. Is it all Cutler? No, it's as much the playcalling as it is qb, running game, dropped passes, missed blocks, bad routes and many other things. But Jake was blamed for all this the whole time he was in Denver, yet Cutler gets a pass for all of it and has 1000 excuses made for him while he keeps his cocky attitude. |
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| JetBlack3 | Feb 27 2009, 12:03 PM Post #46 |
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ugh why must yalls replies be so long. |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 27 2009, 12:04 PM Post #47 |
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That's passion son. Passion takes time. It's a finely crafted artform. |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 27 2009, 12:04 PM Post #48 |
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And I honestly didn't think anyone besides myself cared enough to read about a Jake Plummer Jay Cutler debate. |
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| JetBlack3 | Feb 27 2009, 12:07 PM Post #49 |
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Passion needs to get summarized, i keep seein long posts and passin over them, no idea what this thread is about |
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| Ram Jam | Feb 27 2009, 12:17 PM Post #50 |
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It was about Marvin Harrison. Now it is a battle between Jake Plummer and Jay Cutler. Josh is defending Cutler like everyone else and I am defending Jake as usual. |
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