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More Points for Winning/More Drivers in the Chase
Topic Started: Jan 4 2007, 04:32 PM (223 Views)
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NASCAR to expand Chase field and more points for wins in 2007: The Nextel Cup 2007 season will feature more points for victories and more drivers in the Chase for the Cup, NASCAR vice president of corporate communications Jim Hunter said this afternoon. How many points and how many drivers are being determined, Hunter said during a visit to USA TODAY's newsroom in McLean, Va. "We're still running the models," Hunter said, adding that an official announcement will be made during NASCAR's media tour Jan. 22-26 in Charlotte.NASCAR added the Chase for the Cup in 2004 with the top 10 drivers in the points standings and anyone within 400 points of the leader, competing in the final 10 races for the Cup championship.(USA Today)(1-4-2007)


More points for winning is good. More drivers in the Chase is fucking stupid and an utter travesty. It's fucking bullshit to give ten drivers a shot at it, it should be six tops. Fucking bullshit.
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JetBlack3
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Why not just run 26 races then say well that was a fun preseason, everyone gets their points reset and run the real season with just 10 races
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de3dejr8
Jan 4 2007, 05:11 PM
Why not just run 26 races then say well that was a fun preseason, everyone gets their points reset and run the real season with just 10 races

its gonna get to the point where they just say who ever wins the last race of the season is the champ
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JetBlack3
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can we change the last race to Dega :unsure:
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ElDonkey
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Fucking horse shit.

I like the points rule but the more drivers thing is pure fuckin shit
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Its bs period, if you didn't deserve to win it 10 races ago, why should get a 500 point bonus.

And I'm getting sick of hearing this every time, oh the winner should get more points, why? Why should someone who wins 5 of the chases races and then craps in the others get the championship? The person who wins the most races should not be handed the championship, it should be the people who were always fighting for the win, the most consistant.
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KK3869
Jan 4 2007, 05:41 PM
Its bs period, if you didn't deserve to win it 10 races ago, why should get a 500 point bonus.

And I'm getting sick of hearing this every time, oh the winner should get more points, why? Why should someone who wins 5 of the chases races and then craps in the others get the championship? The person who wins the most races should not be handed the championship, it should be the people who were always fighting for the win, the most consistant.

That is why several people, including me liked the old points system before the chase. That system rewarded consistency, something that any team in any sport must do in order to win a championship. In baseball the team that wins the World Series is generally consistent in that they are constantly performing at the top of their game day in and day out, they don't win because they were grandfathered in with a losing record. Same thing goes for football and Basketball, the teams that win these championships are consistent week in and week out.

NASCAR however isn't like the other sports mentioned above in that you have 43 drivers each week running for position in that weeks race. The possibilities of something happening during a race are relatively high and thus drivers are unable to win on a consistent basis. However these same drivers manage to overcome situations like ill timed cautions and finish in the top 10 and top 5 consistently week in and week out. Those consistent drivers are the ones near the top in the points standings and it is mockery to allow those teams hopelessly out of contention for a championship to suddenly have a chance.
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Yay for more points for a win.

Boo for more drivers for the Chase.
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Boo more points for wins

Undecided on drivers for the chase.
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HomeDepot20TS
Jan 4 2007, 04:32 PM
It's fucking bullshit to give ten drivers a shot at it, it should be six tops. Fucking bullshit.

Eh make it 8 and I'da agree with you. But I'd agree that this is stupid. This is just a rule to get Jr, Gordon or someone somewhat struggling a chance to redeem themselves once they're in the chase. The Chase and Nascar CAN live without a Stewart, a Gordon or a Dale Jr not being in the chase. Nascar doesn't need to bend over so that you can satisfy whiney babies crying that they won't watch the Chase because they're popular driver isn't there. I've made my point about me being comfortable with the TOP 10 driver going into the chase being a real champion, I can't see myself making a case for someone that was 12th or ever further down the ladder if it is more then 12.
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What does it matter anyway. A guy 12th in points isn't likely to turn it around. Yeah, Tony Stewart made a crap load of points up in the last 10, but he also wasn't really racing anyone other than himself. I think that would be the exception rather than the rule.
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WTF is nascar thinking? they need to get rid of the chase and go back to the old point system
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I've liked the chase for some time now, but now I don't like it so much any more because NASCAR's just going to make it worse. You can say that we need a playoff system like other sports, but you can't compare NASCAR to other sports. The old one worked fine for decades; the chase system doesn't do much more than cause problems.
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DewCrew9
Jan 5 2007, 11:20 PM
What does it matter anyway. A guy 12th in points isn't likely to turn it around. Yeah, Tony Stewart made a crap load of points up in the last 10, but he also wasn't really racing anyone other than himself. I think that would be the exception rather than the rule.

There are many times a guy coming into the last 10 races 11th, 12th or even 15th for that matter can pick up points and finish somewhere in the top 10 in points. Often the reason why such a driver is down in that position is due to being at the wrong place at the right time and getting caught up in a few wrecks or having a mechanical issue during a few races.

A few examples of drivers cracking the top 10 with 10 races left to go

Bobby Hamilton in 1998 came into the last 10 races 12th in points finished 10th.

Mike Skinner in 1999 came into the last 10 races 11th in points finished 10th.

Jeff Burton in 2001 came into the last 10 races 11th in points finished 10th

Kurt Busch in 2002 came into the last 10 races 12th in points finished 3rd

Dale Jarrett in 2002 came into the last 10 races 11th in points finished 9th.

Tony Stewart in 2003 came into the last 10 races 11th in points finished 7th.

These are 6 examples of drivers coming into the last 10 races and picking up the pace in order to finish out the year inside the top 10. 6 drivers who under the current format would not have finished where they did because of the chase.

Maybe you should research and back up what you say next time.
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Yeah but they still dont deserve a championship if they're that far back.
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Dale3815
Jan 6 2007, 05:12 PM
Yeah but they still dont deserve a championship if they're that far back.

When did I ever say they deserve a championship, they deserve the same as every other driver an equal chance to move up or down in points based on how well they run. Locking drivers out of the top 10 with 10 races to go does not allow drivers such chance to finish inside the top 10, think that's a little biased based on what I've shown? Because I could show many more examples of drivers outside the top 10 in points with 10 races left on the schedule finishing out the year in the top 10.
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num1hendrickfan
Jan 6 2007, 04:40 PM
Dale3815
Jan 6 2007, 05:12 PM
Yeah but they still dont deserve a championship if they're that far back.

When did I ever say they deserve a championship, they deserve the same as every other driver an equal chance to move up or down in points based on how well they run. Locking drivers out of the top 10 with 10 races to go does not allow drivers such chance to finish inside the top 10, think that's a little biased based on what I've shown? Because I could show many more examples of drivers outside the top 10 in points with 10 races left on the schedule finishing out the year in the top 10.

If you want to be in the top 10, then be in the top 10 after 26 races. Simple as that
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Jan 6 2007, 05:54 PM
num1hendrickfan
Jan 6 2007, 04:40 PM
Dale3815
Jan 6 2007, 05:12 PM
Yeah but they still dont deserve a championship if they're that far back.

When did I ever say they deserve a championship, they deserve the same as every other driver an equal chance to move up or down in points based on how well they run. Locking drivers out of the top 10 with 10 races to go does not allow drivers such chance to finish inside the top 10, think that's a little biased based on what I've shown? Because I could show many more examples of drivers outside the top 10 in points with 10 races left on the schedule finishing out the year in the top 10.

If you want to be in the top 10, then be in the top 10 after 26 races. Simple as that

It's a 36 race schedule, if you can't compete at or near the top of your game for 36 races than you don't deserve to be rewarded and locked into the top 10. Funny thing about what I said, also can work the opposite way for drivers inside the top 10.

Let's all take the time to see a few examples where drivers in the top 10 with 10 races left, finished the year outside of the top 10.

Kurt Busch in 2003 came into the final 10 races 8th in points, finished 11th.

Sterling Marlin in 2002 came into the final 10 races 1st in points, finished 18th.*

Johnny Benson in 2001 came into the final 10 races 10th in points, finished 11th.

Terry Labonte in 1999 came into the final 10 races 9th in points, finished 12th.

Ken Schrader in 1998 came into the final 10 races 10th in points, finished 12th.

Ted Musgrave in 1997 came into the final 10 races 8th in points, finished 12th.

Ken Schrader in 1996 came into the final 10 races 8th in points, finished 12th.

*denotes injury, which sidelined Marin in 2002.







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num1hendrickfan
Jan 6 2007, 05:44 PM
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Jan 5 2007, 11:20 PM
What does it matter anyway. A guy 12th in points isn't likely to turn it around. Yeah, Tony Stewart made a crap load of points up in the last 10, but he also wasn't really racing anyone other than himself. I think that would be the exception rather than the rule.

There are many times a guy coming into the last 10 races 11th, 12th or even 15th for that matter can pick up points and finish somewhere in the top 10 in points. Often the reason why such a driver is down in that position is due to being at the wrong place at the right time and getting caught up in a few wrecks or having a mechanical issue during a few races.

A few examples of drivers cracking the top 10 with 10 races left to go

Bobby Hamilton in 1998 came into the last 10 races 12th in points finished 10th.

Mike Skinner in 1999 came into the last 10 races 11th in points finished 10th.

Jeff Burton in 2001 came into the last 10 races 11th in points finished 10th

Kurt Busch in 2002 came into the last 10 races 12th in points finished 3rd

Dale Jarrett in 2002 came into the last 10 races 11th in points finished 9th.

Tony Stewart in 2003 came into the last 10 races 11th in points finished 7th.

These are 6 examples of drivers coming into the last 10 races and picking up the pace in order to finish out the year inside the top 10. 6 drivers who under the current format would not have finished where they did because of the chase.

Maybe you should research and back up what you say next time.

How in the hell does what I said mean the same thing as "turn it around a win a championship"? Oh, that's right, it doesn't. 2-3 spots in 10 races isn't a big fricken whoop.
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Jan 6 2007, 09:58 PM

How in the hell does what I said mean the same thing as "turn it around a win a championship"? Oh, that's right, it doesn't. 2-3 spots in 10 races isn't a big fricken whoop.

Seeing as how you neglected to clarify what you said in your original post, logically one would have to take your words as meaning turn it around and finish inside the top 10 or top 5 in points. If it had said turn it around and win a championship this whole argument would be pointless and probably wouldn't exist.

Regardless I stand by my statements of each driver having a fair chance to move up or down in the points, instead of unfairly rewarding drivers as this current system does.
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Fiar and sports dont work hand and hand
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i actually wouldnt be surprised in the next 5 years if we see a manditory caution with 10 to go in every race and have a iroc style restart since nascar is so high in the manufatured excitement
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Orangesmoke20
Jan 6 2007, 10:48 PM
i actually wouldnt be surprised in the next 5 years if we see a manditory caution with 10 to go in every race and have a iroc style restart since nascar is so high in the manufatured excitement

GWC would be more exciting then 10 to go. :lol:
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Nate
Jan 6 2007, 10:53 PM
Orangesmoke20
Jan 6 2007, 10:48 PM
i actually wouldnt be surprised in the next 5 years if we see a manditory caution with 10 to go in every race  and have a iroc style restart since nascar is so high in the manufatured excitement

GWC would be more exciting then 10 to go. :lol:

that wouldnt shock me either
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Orangesmoke20
Jan 6 2007, 10:56 PM
Nate
Jan 6 2007, 10:53 PM
Orangesmoke20
Jan 6 2007, 10:48 PM
i actually wouldnt be surprised in the next 5 years if we see a manditory caution with 10 to go in every race  and have a iroc style restart since nascar is so high in the manufatured excitement

GWC would be more exciting then 10 to go. :lol:

that wouldnt shock me either

I have only been watching the sport since 99-00 I started watchin regularly in 2001 and if they did that I would quit watching.
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