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Rubberfaggot wins Pocono
Topic Started: Jul 24 2005, 04:51 PM (337 Views)
Dewy9
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Orangesmoke20
Jul 24 2005, 11:25 PM
im gonna sound like mikey here but these cars are way too aero reliant if you want better racing dirty the cars up get rid of aero push.. look at the cts its not often they have a boreing race i mean it happens but your not gonna beable to make every race a nail biter

I think we all agree with that. They've got to stop the cars from sealing to the track.
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Orangesmoke20
Jul 24 2005, 10:25 PM
im gonna sound like mikey here but these cars are way too aero reliant if you want better racing dirty the cars up get rid of aero push.. look at the cts its not often they have a boreing race i mean it happens but your not gonna beable to make every race a nail biter

but dont they impound the trucks every race :o
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NC6 is right, Pocono is tons better live.


As for Jr, if he ran the stop sign guy then ok i see the lap penatly then. Still sucks either way.
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DewCrew914
Jul 24 2005, 10:47 PM
Orangesmoke20
Jul 24 2005, 10:21 PM
DewCrew914
Jul 24 2005, 10:06 PM
Which is why at the beginning of the season, actually before, I said that impounding Cup cars would be a stupid idea. Looks like I'm right. The past several months, it's just been one car that dominates.

:screwy: they get just as much practise time as they did before.. and races like pocono chicago and michigan have always had a dominate car so yout theory dont hold any water

Maybe so, but so much changes weather wise and track wise (amount of rubber, type of rubber if ARCA ran too, etc) from Friday to Sunday, that it's just a guess. Saturday to Sunday isn't near as big of a difference. I just think that the more you let a team practice, the better cars will handle and the better race you'll have because the cars will all be a lot closer together. Now we have 1 car that leads 75% of the race in addition to a lot of single file racing.

2nd of all, it hasn't really trimmed down the weekend for the teams.

You could practice an hour before the race and your still gonna have one or two cars that will dominate. The impound rule is one of the best things Nascars done. Instead of coming in on Thursday and spending that whole practice for mostly qualifying and happy hour saturday for actual race practice,you get almost 2 hours on just race practice with maybe two laps being qualifying practice which is basically put tape on and go. It's saving money too because they are eliminating the special oils they use in the engines,trannys and rear ends for qualifying.
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Donkey
Jul 24 2005, 11:17 PM
i think all of this years rules suck hard..

The impound sucks, Gear Rule Sucks, Spoiler and tires made racing worse than last year.


go back to 2003 package with softer tires IMO

The only rule I will agree with but I still don't mind it is the gear rule. I don't think any of the other rules are hurting the racing.
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8 second lead yeh but in the pack there was tons of racing, sadly tv doesnt show that.

and yeah jr speed out of the pits at 143 mph, thats a little fast for safety lol
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The funny thing about the impound rules is that everyone says that they save money and maybe they save some... some money but when you look at the bigger teams, all that money that they save they're spending it trying to field a busch car in the busch series, with that they have to pay the crew, driver, inspection, tires, fuel, and all those kinda of stuff so how much do they really save at the end of the day????
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None, really.
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Its eliminating all the trick stuff for qualifying which saves money. It also saves the crews alot of work. Any little bit helps especially for the smaller underfunded teams.
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killerbee17fan
Jul 25 2005, 07:33 PM
The funny thing about the impound rules is that everyone says that they save money and maybe they save some... some money but when you look at the bigger teams, all that money that they save they're spending it trying to field a busch car in the busch series, with that they have to pay the crew, driver, inspection, tires, fuel, and all those kinda of stuff so how much do they really save at the end of the day????

i must have missed the part where the impound rule states that teams must start a new bush team :screwy: thats 2 totally seperate issues
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Plus the fact I thought the money teams already had Busch teams anyway.
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Orangesmoke20
Jul 25 2005, 08:10 PM
killerbee17fan
Jul 25 2005, 07:33 PM
The funny thing about the impound rules is that everyone says that they save money and maybe they save some... some money but when you look at the bigger teams, all that money that they save they're spending it trying to field a busch car in the busch series, with that they have to pay the crew, driver, inspection, tires, fuel, and all those kinda of stuff so how much do they really save at the end of the day????

i must have missed the part where the impound rule states that teams must start a new bush team :screwy: thats 2 totally seperate issues

well the bigger teams are doing so and that's what I was saying. you're saying that is nice because the pit crew and crew chief get to spend more time for with their families but half if not more stay at the track helping the busch team. Like Robbie, he stays over to help matt and when Matt isn't racing he stays with Brad Parott to see and hear Carl over the radio. So all I'm saying is that they really don't get to spend time with their families anyways and they're spending money in the busch series anyways. is a big plus for the lesser teams out there though.

I'm not saying that i don't like the impound rule I'm just stating the fact that they're really not saving any money or spending time with their families.
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CR49
Jul 25 2005, 08:23 PM
Plus the fact I thought the money teams already had Busch teams anyway.

with the impounding procedure you have teams and drivers like Jimmie Johnson, E-sad, DJ, Bobby Labonte, Sterling Marlin, Matt Kenseth, Mark Martin, and others. You'd see them any given year but they're doing double duty especially during impound rules.
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I heard Wally say that most of the teams were working in the garage for 7 hours on Saturday.
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Yeah 7 hours imagine but imagine when theres happy hour they are probably working all day and most of the night until closing.
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killerbee17fan
Jul 25 2005, 10:29 PM
CR49
Jul 25 2005, 08:23 PM
Plus the fact I thought the money teams already had Busch teams anyway.

with the impounding procedure you have teams and drivers like Jimmie Johnson, E-sad, DJ, Bobby Labonte, Sterling Marlin, Matt Kenseth, Mark Martin, and others. You'd see them any given year but they're doing double duty especially during impound rules.

I think theyd be doing it anyway. Everyone has already been saying for the past two years that it helps out even before the impound. I honestly think its time to look back at going to 6 cylinder engines or something just so it ain't so much alike to where you can't gain the knowledge.
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killerbee17fan
Jul 25 2005, 10:27 PM
Orangesmoke20
Jul 25 2005, 08:10 PM
killerbee17fan
Jul 25 2005, 07:33 PM
The funny thing about the impound rules is that everyone says that they save money and maybe they save some... some money but when you look at the bigger teams, all that money that they save they're spending it trying to field a busch car in the busch series, with that they have to pay the crew, driver, inspection, tires, fuel, and all those kinda of stuff so how much do they really save at the end of the day????

i must have missed the part where the impound rule states that teams must start a new bush team :screwy: thats 2 totally seperate issues

well the bigger teams are doing so and that's what I was saying. you're saying that is nice because the pit crew and crew chief get to spend more time for with their families but half if not more stay at the track helping the busch team. Like Robbie, he stays over to help matt and when Matt isn't racing he stays with Brad Parott to see and hear Carl over the radio. So all I'm saying is that they really don't get to spend time with their families anyways and they're spending money in the busch series anyways. is a big plus for the lesser teams out there though.

I'm not saying that i don't like the impound rule I'm just stating the fact that they're really not saving any money or spending time with their families.

Thats a choice though they aren't being forced to. They are just doing it to get knowledge for the next day. Your missing the whole point. The money is being saved because they aren't buying up the trick qualifying stuff and aren't dealing with two totally different setups which allows them to just concentrate on race setup. The money and time is saved in qualifying is no longer a factor for most of these guys they don't have to worry about the lightweight oils and greases,changing gears,all the different springs and shocks they used for qualifying only,engine parts that some probably only used for qualifying because I'm sure some changed heads and intakes for qualifying and probably carbs too. With an impound race you pretty much role out and work on a race setup and don't have to worry about all that extra stuff if you don't want to. The money teams are going to spend money anyway but it saves them a little but like I said its the underfunded teams its helping more.
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Haven't done this in awhile so..............................

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