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Penalties for Vegas laid down
Topic Started: Mar 15 2005, 12:12 PM (582 Views)
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Wow. I'm at a loss for words. They put it to baldy. Oh my goodness.

Nice to know that Zippy's never had a car fail post or pre race inspection (Besides the infamous Texas car, but there's dispute to whether or not that was cheating or just NASCAR's wakeup call to Stewart, which we'll probably never know) up to this point after 7 years. Call 'em what you want, but you can't call the 20 bunch cheaters. Yay. (Watch the 20 be too low next week :aaron: )
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well with the severity of the penalties to the hms crew cheifs something tells me it wasnt a cae of the cars getting higher or lower from rutine race adjustments but was something they had planned to get the cars higher or lower was it ever said how low the 48 was? they havent release much detail into what nascar found

and i kind of disagree with the 29 loseing points they didnt gain any points because of the violation it wasnt performance enhanceing for the race
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I like it :up: Make a damn example of them. Its obvious HMS had something planned and also that they had an advanatage on the field cause of it. Great call with the suspensions. Same with Harvick. You pull a stunt like that and the hammer needs to be dropped.

And yeah its sucks cause i like Jimmie and Harvick but cheating to win in the big leagues is uncalled for.
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I highly doubt that Hms had anything planned from the get go. This is plainly obvious in the issue at hand with a car being too low(#48) and one with a quarter panel that was too high(#5). Many a variable can affect the car on a Sunday, suffice to say each team had ample time to make repairs if any were needed.
(would be nice to know how low Johnson's car was)

As for Childress, that was very much intent to circumvent a rule, a pointless one at that I might add. While other teams were qualifying with a full tank of gas, Harvick's was qualifying with far less. Like Berrier stated, had we run a little slower no one would've noticed.
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Yeah well 2 hms cars with infractions...finish 1-2...yeah ok not intentional.

Only difference in RCRs and HMSs is RCR is an admitted cheating. But then again Childress and Dale was always pushing that line so Id expect nothing less :lol:
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Mar 15 2005, 09:59 PM
Yeah well 2 hms cars with infractions...finish 1-2...yeah ok not intentional.

Only difference in RCRs and HMSs is RCR is an admitted cheating. But then again Childress and Dale was always pushing that line so Id expect nothing less :lol:

I'm with you on this deal 100%. Your thoughts and mine on this are basically exactly alike.
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You guys act like the "c" word hasn't been done for all these years. NASCAR's always been about cheating, really, it's not right but every successful team has done it at one point or another.

Just wanna throw that out there. :runs and hides in corner: lol
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Yeah no shit. Like i said dale and childress has pulled stuff like this before. Everyone has. Remember the Jurassic Park #24 car in the Winston? lol. But its a new time in sports. This is like the whole baseball and steriods deal. Its cheating and this is nascars version of steriods...err ok well sorta but you get my point
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NASCAR suspended three Nextel Cup crew chiefs on Tuesday for violations stemming from the weekend at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, and spokesman Jim Hunter said taking away a victory - something the sport has traditionally not done - could be "the next step."
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Mar 15 2005, 10:29 PM
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NASCAR suspended three Nextel Cup crew chiefs on Tuesday for violations stemming from the weekend at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, and spokesman Jim Hunter said taking away a victory - something the sport has traditionally not done - could be "the next step."

Oh..................My.................Word
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num1hendrickfan
Mar 15 2005, 09:54 PM
I highly doubt that Hms had anything planned from the get go. This is plainly obvious in the issue at hand with a car being too low(#48) and one with a quarter panel that was too high(#5). Many a variable can affect the car on a Sunday, suffice to say each team had ample time to make repairs if any were needed.
(would be nice to know how low Johnson's car was)

As for Childress, that was very much intent to circumvent a rule, a pointless one at that I might add. While other teams were qualifying with a full tank of gas, Harvick's was qualifying with far less. Like Berrier stated, had we run a little slower no one would've noticed.

Trust me from the way it sound I think its pretty hard to debate it. If there was I think NASCAR would still be looking at it. They said the 48 wasn't even close and the 5 I actually heard his measurements and there no way it got that high without the thought.
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http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/opinion/03...ties/index.html

It was a stupid bolt...

Like I said, the points and money I can't argue, but the crew chief suspension and the possibility of elimination his win are ridiculous.
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Mar 15 2005, 10:32 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 10:29 PM
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NASCAR suspended three Nextel Cup crew chiefs on Tuesday for violations stemming from the weekend at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, and spokesman Jim Hunter said taking away a victory - something the sport has traditionally not done - could be "the next step."

Oh..................My.................Word

:aaron: :finger2: :hit: :kick: :throw:
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Mar 15 2005, 10:37 PM
rockon
Mar 15 2005, 10:32 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 10:29 PM
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NASCAR suspended three Nextel Cup crew chiefs on Tuesday for violations stemming from the weekend at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, and spokesman Jim Hunter said taking away a victory - something the sport has traditionally not done - could be "the next step."

Oh..................My.................Word

:aaron: :finger2: :hit: :kick: :throw:

What's that for? My response was directed towards Jim Hunter, not you. :huh: :(
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Mar 15 2005, 07:58 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 07:22 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 05:38 PM
Well, then by gosh for every little penalty the crew chief should be suspended 2 to 4 races. I bet my life that they won't do that for the rest of the season.

It isn't needed for every little penalty, just the big ones like these.

But I'm saying that (a) one year ago this would have been overlooked and (b) how often does NASCAR stay consistent on a rule violation.

Good thing I'll stay alive lol.

I remember many times last year people were penalized for being to low several times, they just weren't this low.
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Mar 15 2005, 10:36 PM
http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/opinion/03...ties/index.html

It was a stupid bolt...

Like I said, the points and money I can't argue, but the crew chief suspension and the possibility of elimination his win are ridiculous.

Yeah according to the team and driver. :rolleyes: They were already caught once in the race and for two cars I don't believe it was an accident. I like that they tried it, but agree with the penalties too.
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Mar 15 2005, 10:38 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 10:37 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 10:32 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 10:29 PM
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NASCAR suspended three Nextel Cup crew chiefs on Tuesday for violations stemming from the weekend at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, and spokesman Jim Hunter said taking away a victory - something the sport has traditionally not done - could be "the next step."

Oh..................My.................Word

:aaron: :finger2: :hit: :kick: :throw:

What's that for? My response was directed towards Jim Hunter, not you. :huh: :(

...............................................Oh.
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Mar 15 2005, 10:36 PM
http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/opinion/03...ties/index.html

It was a stupid bolt...

Like I said, the points and money I can't argue, but the crew chief suspension and the possibility of elimination his win are ridiculous.

Finally some closure on the problem with the Johnson's car. Amazing what a little bolt can do. Seriously this is going too far when you suspend a crew chief over a bolt that works itself loose during a race. However they did have ample time to put it back in it's position during the race, therefore the points and fine should stay.

Personally I wouldn't want to see NASCAR go overboard on the whole cheating issue. Because the sport is built upon drivers, crews and teams working to gain an extra tenth of a second or two. Work that can mean the difference between being a contender rather than a backmarker. I don't think anyone of us wants to see the sport lose the "creative engineering" that takes place.
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Mar 15 2005, 10:44 PM
rockon
Mar 15 2005, 10:36 PM
http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/opinion/03...ties/index.html

It was a stupid bolt...

Like I said, the points and money I can't argue, but the crew chief suspension and the possibility of elimination his win are ridiculous.

Yeah according to the team and driver. :rolleyes: They were already caught once in the race and for two cars I don't believe it was an accident. I like that they tried it, but agree with the penalties too.

But Busch's and Johnson's were totaly different...and why wasn't Gordon in on this HMS conspiracy? Why did the cars pass pre-race? Why did when they put the bolt back in did it pass post race?

To many questions to make this incident the example for all other incidents to be judged.
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ya know if this was the 20 and 8 instead of the 48 and 5 all you folks that are outraged would be whineing that the penalties went severe enough and would want them banned
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yeah no kidding. Harvick got into Jimmie and the lynch mob was after him. Its a good thing this came up or they would be after Newmans head.....oh wait hes not Jr, Tony or Harvick....never mind then
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If Jeff hadn't hit him in the back they would still be.
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rockon
Mar 15 2005, 10:47 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 10:44 PM
rockon
Mar 15 2005, 10:36 PM
http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/opinion/03...ties/index.html

It was a stupid bolt...

Like I said, the points and money I can't argue, but the crew chief suspension and the possibility of elimination his win are ridiculous.

Yeah according to the team and driver. :rolleyes: They were already caught once in the race and for two cars I don't believe it was an accident. I like that they tried it, but agree with the penalties too.

But Busch's and Johnson's were totaly different...and why wasn't Gordon in on this HMS conspiracy? Why did the cars pass pre-race? Why did when they put the bolt back in did it pass post race?

To many questions to make this incident the example for all other incidents to be judged.

You can rig the bolt to fall of too.
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Mar 15 2005, 11:33 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 10:47 PM
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Mar 15 2005, 10:44 PM
rockon
Mar 15 2005, 10:36 PM
http://www.nascar.com/2005/news/opinion/03...ties/index.html

It was a stupid bolt...

Like I said, the points and money I can't argue, but the crew chief suspension and the possibility of elimination his win are ridiculous.

Yeah according to the team and driver. :rolleyes: They were already caught once in the race and for two cars I don't believe it was an accident. I like that they tried it, but agree with the penalties too.

But Busch's and Johnson's were totaly different...and why wasn't Gordon in on this HMS conspiracy? Why did the cars pass pre-race? Why did when they put the bolt back in did it pass post race?

To many questions to make this incident the example for all other incidents to be judged.

You can rig the bolt to fall of too.

Thats what I'm thinking. Then, screw it back in and say "Oh darn the thing worked itself loose."
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That should be a part of inspection, if it isn't... maybe they do that, but the cc's are just tricky.
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