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Vote Joe Bobs; For Delegate
Topic Started: Apr 3 2006, 09:21 AM (1,376 Views)
Nevareion
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Foreign Affairs is already responsible for writing embassy reports and assisting I&O in checking ambassadors are working. If you move all that to I&O, what does foreign do? I&O should be appointing ambassadors and co-ordinating recruitment and not much else really!
You can appoint a new Councillor if the Council agrees to it as stated in the Constitution. You do not need new laws or constitution amendments to do either what you are suggesting or what Zak is suggesting.
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Apr 10 2006, 11:36 AM
See, this candidate is willing to bend their ideas to fit new and better ideas. He is no stick in the mud. :D haha!

I thought you weren't going to campaign negitively?

:P

EDIT: Crap! I quoted the wrong bit. That's been changed, though. Muahahaha!
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Hold on, can we clarify something.

1. Foreign is responsible for creating new relationships with other regions? writing the updates? establishing contact and such? they are also meant to assist I&O (this was the original set up anyways)

2. I&O there to control ambassadors, keep embassies active and ensure recruitment complete?

My suggestion was to formalise the I&O and foreign and leave appointment of ambassadors and recuitment with I&O and give management of embassies, update etc etc to the foreign.

Yes I agree with nev that we dont neccessarily need a constitutional ammendment however if the delegate elected decides to do this I dont see any manjor issue with it? after all, no one can argue how much work the I&O has to do, as no one has ever done this accept me!
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If I may, as both a diplomat and a Foreign Minister, I do think that may lead to the blurring of roles.

If the Foreign Ministry is to make the contact, wouldn't it be easier for them to maintain it as well? I fail to see the point in having a seperate Ministry for this, when it would suffice to have the Foreign Ministry doing this, and writing the update.

I've found that being involved in proper recruiting verges on a full-time job as it is, so it would be better to have this as a seperate Ministry, in control of recruiting and welcoming members.

But, anyways...
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What Tag has just said is what I was trying to say, but let me say it more clearly: Foriegn Affairs takes control of Ambassadors and embassies. This includes appointing ambassadors and writing updats (although, in reality, updates tend to be a compilation of many people's input). I&O would then be solely in charge of recruitment. As recruitment is our main goal, surely this would be a good thing.

This would need a change to the constitution, as the roles of Councillors are outlined there, so this would need to be ammended. Nev, this is what I was referring to, not the addition of the new Councillor, which wouldn't be necessary with this initiative.
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Thanks for the clarificatin JB. What your saying actually takes it one step further then what I proposed but if you were win, you could enforce this should you want to.

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Quote:
 
2005.13.03.01 Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Responsible for contact and relationships with other regions. Responsible for chairing negotiations and proposing treaties to Parliament.

2005.13.03.03 Ministry of Immigration and Officials
Responsible for the management of Recruitment and the appointment and management of Ambassadors.

I think that is sufficiently vague to allow the interpretation how you like. Contact and relationships requires the supervision of Ambassadors. I think we kind of have two Councillors doing a combined task already if we want to read it that way. :)
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That's true Nev. However, I'm suggesting that the entire business of appointing and running ambassadors and embassies should be placed under Foreign Affairs. It seems far simpler to have everything to do with ambassadors under one department, and this would be FA, rather than have appointment of ambassadors in one department and 'maintenance' of them in another. I believe this is what Tag was getting at. It would mean changing the bit of the constitution Nev highlighted though.

hehe. This is more of a 'think tank' than an election thread now. Very good, I say! Far more interesting. Still, any questions from anyone are welcome. :)
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Fair point, also back to the questions too as you are right and some of this should be dealt with after the election :)
Thanks for the answers JB.
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