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Policy Questions
Topic Started: Jan 25 2006, 03:29 PM (966 Views)
Joe Bobs
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Frankly, I feel Q102 already has international recognition, maybe not on the level of the regions PC referenced, but we are quite widely recognised. If we do need to promote Q102 further, I feel this can be done chiefly through having active ambassadors that take an interest in their regions and become actively involved, thus spreading the influence of Q102 subtley.

May I say that Nev's description as the Paxman of Q102 is so apt! Got you down to a T!

@Nev, my "cheap shot" was meant to be in jest and I was only mocking RL politics, as I felt was made clear by my language (e.g. "Right-honourable). It wasn't my intention to cheapen the debate. I apologise if it did.

I feel a fairer summary of policy for the UOC would be "to explore other possibilities without risking losing what makes Q102 special."

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Nevareion
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[OOC]All mention of cheap shots was IC as I understood your "cheap shot" to be :)
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lamedud
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Grr. Late for the party again. I believe in neutrality and in some respect 'splendid isolation'. This would avoid conflict and allow us to grow. The point about 'running with the big boys' is a good one - but surely we don't need allies and enemies to do this? If we continue to grow at this rate and with active membership like it is, Q102 will be up there soon, im sure of that.
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Joe Bobs
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(OOC) Oh good. I was worried I'd offended. :)
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Nevareion
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One of Q102's strengths and the reason for it's growth in the past has been offering as much of the NS experience as possible in one region. Do you think that the lack of engagement in foeign policy in a more active way could be one of the reasons we can't break the 150 member barrier and stay there?

Also will we be seeing the UOC holding the Coucnil to account. At present anyone looking in Parliament might beleive I was the official opposition :P
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Republic of Aaronyne
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I totally agree, if UOC are not doing what they formed themselves to do, oppose the government then i see no reason why the citizens of q102 should vote for them, if there not active in Parlaiment now, what will it be like in a UOC administration?
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Nevareion
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They might also wonder where the PPP members are :P
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I have to say I'm not in full agreement with Nev on this one.

When I first started NS life, as a young n00b, I was drawn in by all this talk of "invading" and "defending", and it all sounded so glorious and exciting. As I progressed through the game, however, I soon learnt that it wasn't all it was craked up to be, and so slipped away from NS, until by chance one of my newly created puppets received a TG talking of a land where the focus was not on invading or defending, or on political idealisms, rather, it seemed a place where fun people hung out and did fun things.

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that Q102 has always attracted its own "special" brand of nation, ones which are here to enjoy the good, clean side of NS away from the ever grimier world that invading/defending has become.

With the number of new nations joining NS slowing to a trickle though, the regions which try and offer something radically different are in real danger of having their new nation supply drying out, and it is this reason why I believe we should try and become more active, lest we fade at our peak.
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Joe Bobs
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This may no sound great for an opposition, but I agree with PC, onhis first point. Q102 does attract people that are looking for something different. However, I disagree with the second part of his statement, I don't think that destroying what makes us individual will increase our popularity. If new players want the invading/defending aspect oft he game, why would they pick here over one of the larger regions that already provide this and are well-known for excelling in this area? Q102 would become a little fish in a big pond.

What would be far better, is to maintain our individuality, which maybe not all new players will be attracted to, but the ones who are will probably stay here for life. I'd say that involvement is more important than sheer numbers. What PC is suggesting is making us a bland region that could easily be any other, in the hope it will attract more players, which it probably won't.

NS as a whole has seen a decrease in activity and new players, but who's to say this isn't temporary?

Aaronyne, your comment is nonsensical. If you accuse us of being a poor opposition, surely we'd be better in power! We've defended our views and responded to critics instantly, whilst it takes the PPP days to reply. I think the PPP woul make a far better opposition, and the UOC would be a far better government!
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Nevareion
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Both very excellent speaches, thank you. I do have some points for each of you if I may:

Does not being neutral have to mean invading/defending? Is that particular war now not long over?
How can a top one hundred region be called a little fish? Are we not a biggish fish whether we like it or not?
Are you sure we are the only neutral region? If not then what is unique about us?
Is the adherence to lack of involvement in Q102 due to lack of contact/knowledge of the wider worl amongst the population and is this soemthing we should seek to correct regardless of policies.

Lastly a wise politician is one who has the good grace to concede when is his opponent is right. However I would suggest that claiming you would be better in power because you are not good at opposition does not.

Ye-eeeees. *removes Paxman neural chip*
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Joe Bobs
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That little bit of clever language about the PPP being a better opposition wasn't so much a serious political point as a little quip in response to Aaronyne's. I thought it worked out quite nicely. A little paradoxical though.

I didn't mean little fish in terms of size, more in terms of the regions that get involved in conflicts e.g. defender/invader. What I mean is, some regions are renowned for their participation in that side of things, as we are not, it is unlikely nations will join us on these grounds.

And, as you well know Jeremy, I mean Nev ( :P ), there is far more unique about Q102 than neutrality. Our region is well known for its friendly atmosphere and being motivated by fun, not backward politics and war like so many others. We need to play on what makes us different for our members, not what makes us different on a piece of paper (i.e. stats, political background). I shall leave the other questions to CM.
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cant i sleep for 6 hours and not have a page worth of postes to catch up on....:P


and yes nev i really do think that was my largest pos6 i have ever done here...it was very tiring and i dont think i wuill happen again for a bit aka now tee hee
ok more of Calm Minds' views of FA


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Does not being neutral have to mean invading/defending? Is that particular war now not long over?


for the first part, is some ways yes, invading and defending is one the of first things that get tossed out the window when being neutral. most people here will agree that it is not a particulary fun way of playing, we have P.C. and others inculding me that played that sort of game in the begining and we all became borad of it. and for the ones that still do it, they come here for their own desires that do not include that asspet of the game.

but does neutality extend beond that and into FA and interregional activities? i say no, i said it in mt last post and i will say it again. that is something that the region as a whole should talk about tho, but in my eyes the law i put forwards was to keep us away of the "nation states rot" as i like to call it, how long did it take to be board of invading and defending? for me it was about 2 months and i had a fun job in it, the life of a dubble agent kept me very busy but still it was tiring and i think alot more people felt this way too, so they just uped and left, i was lucky and a instead of quiting i have found you guys.i say put the power back were it belongs between regions not the ADN and the likes.

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How can a top one hundred region be called a little fish? Are we not a biggish fish whether we like it or not?


as bunnies said, size does not matter ;), being the top fifty regions in nation states gets up nowhere near noteriaty(sp?) look at the ASE they are in the 80's i think and you would be hard pressed to find a place that doesnt know something about them, but i dont think that becoming more extrem is the right way to go. i look at my home nations canada we have had a liberal government for 13 year, staying resonably nutral that whole time, but name one place that a canadian goes that they will get booed of treated poorly, we are told when traviling out of country to pin a canadian flag to our backpack and we greta treated great, its a gloreus feeling to have ones hand shaken but a random person in norway thanking us you something that my grandad did in ww2, and that is how i see Q102, we will never become the most notable region, but we have a chance to keep our individuality, That is something to be proud of.

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Are you sure we are the only neutral region? If not then what is unique about us?


when i was at the invader/defender conferance i noticed that the regions the claimed to be nutral were post bombed with prof that they were not, all but one, us. when i claimed that we were neutral everyone agreed and moved right one....and for even one thing to be agreed on by all wiht no questions asked in that conferance it HAS to mean something. sure there are other "neutral" regions but thay are very small that really only focus on one or two aspects of the game, aka the RP regions and the like, we are unique becasue we started neutral, stayed neutral and grown to a respectable size with that value in place, i think that is what make us unique

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Is the adherence to lack of involvement in Q102 due to lack of contact/knowledge of the wider worl amongst the population and is this soemthing we should seek to correct regardless of policies.


i think were are in that lovey gray area in the middle. i for one will not say that i know alot about the nation states world as a whole, i have come in contact with maybe a handful for regions and been an observer for a handful more, but i think it is something that can be fixed with policies.....lets take a look at this little fact, when was the last time we went to another region ot open up an embasy? i think one thing that is holding us back is others do not this we are open since we rarely send out our diplomates out and take that first step. and that is something we can fix easily.

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Lastly a wise politician is one who has the good grace to concede when is his opponent is right


aahh but a wiser politician can blow smoke out of their ass untill the popular vote swings back into his favor and his opponit gives up :P

edit: ok i lied that was a long one again...i think i have been spendig too much time in the ASE

p.s. i seem to skip the e in neutral....but i dont know why
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lamedud
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wo. CM you've excelled yourself once again and left me no room for opinion. Urm. I completely agree - is the whole invader/defender thing actually worth it in the end? I think many of us would agree we get the same or even more satisfaction from waging wars against fictional enemies - and it actually allows us to work together and shape the way we run our nations. If we went to war with another place.. well.. yknow for a start how would that work? Would people hack into other peoples accounts? Or is it a huge roleplay?! By staying neutral we can continue to grow, lose nobody and as JB said keep our originality as fun, intelligent and friendly.

I think we've made major strides, especially since I've been back. Thats surely a coincidence. :lol:
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Nevareion
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I absolutely agree about the invader/defender war. However there is alot more to regional relations than that which we might miss out on perhaps? Also I think that even if we did get more involved we should keep our openess. Nothing beats spies more than a lack of secrets :D
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Joe Bobs
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Nice line there Nev, is it a quote or was that original?

Could you please give examples, Mr. Paxman ( :P ), of the other foreign affairs business we miss out on?
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