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J'accuse
Topic Started: Jan 18 2006, 09:37 AM (1,457 Views)
Nevareion
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In protest at the increasingly slanderous nature of party politics here in Q102 I resign from the PPP and declare myself an independant member of Parliament.

Lying and inventing negative stories is not politics. It is insult and invective. Lacking clear policies to separate the parties from one another they have descended into farce and I for one am not going to take part.

Q102 was known for the rectitude and honesty of it's political life until the parties were formed and we descended to the lowest levels of so called debate and this will drag our region's name into the mud with it.

I urge leaders of both the PPP and the UOC to consider what they are doing to the region's name and reputation. Remember it is not just the eyes of Q102 Citizens that are on you but of the whole world. Form some policies! Propose legislation! Take the moral high ground instead of inhabiting the depths! Make party politics a force for good in Q102!
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Zakaroo
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I am sad to see you resigning for the PPP nev. I feel that I ought to apologise to you if you feel that Politics here in Q102 have declined over the last few days. I like many others have been joining in with these RP. I must say though that since the creations of Parties, politics has come back to life in Q102, and it seems to me that many more people are willing to get involved, even on the most basic levels as theres some fun in it.

I would, like you like to see some true policies come from these RP and soon. Afterall that is the who reasoning behind politics, and I remain disappointed to see you leaving the PPP altogether.

However one thing I think Nev has brought up here is the fact that these threads, in my eyes, are solely for RP amongst the parties. If I felt personally slandered then I would have said something and I do hope that no-one else has felt like this.

Again all I can do is apologisefor any offence caused nev and I hope to still see you as a active member of parliament in the coming weeks :)
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Nevareion
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I have not taken any offence. However I see no resugence in political life. Parliament is still no more active than it was. All we have is mudslinging, in fact this is taking precedence over the parties even deciding what they stand for so we have mudslinging purely on personality and invented points at that. That is not political life. It excludes those who have not already joined in. The parties seem to have no interest in recruiting or working for the good of the reigon. In fact all we have are all the negative aspects of NS party politics that were the reason Q102 did not have any for over a year of existence.
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Joe Bobs
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I think I've missed something. Could you direct as to where this took place? I would like to see some political debate too.

Sorry to hear that Nev. Hopefully things will change and you can make a comeback.
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Leinstermunster
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too be fair, when the party system were set up i don't think anyone thought they would be anything more than a laugh
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Nevareion
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I am thinking of the general posting in this Political Affairs forum Joe Bobs. Instead of the opposition holding the Council to account on issues such as recruitment, or foreign policy and so on or the Council carrying out manifesto proposals all we have is low level insult and counter insult. Now I am sure there is a place for that but surely it shouldn't be all of our politics. Was that why there was such pressure to form parties? To achieve this?

[edit] that wasn't the impression I was given Leinster. I was told I had banned them to keep power. I got the impression an opposition was needed by others to improve democracy.
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Joe Bobs
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Oh I know, and I do think the "Voice of the People" was very funny, and quite good political satire. However, maybe we should have a forum where we can have serious political debate. I expect that in the run-up to elections there will be some.
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Nevareion
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I was under the impression the Political Affairs forum was for that Joe Bobs?

[edit] BTW this was intended to provoke a debate on what we are doing so thank you to all who are contributing :)
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Joe Bobs
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Obviously, a middle ground must be reached. We need some political debate and some humour. I would like to see this and I think it would be the only way to make party politics interesting over time.

I'm going to suggest the UOC form a proper manifesto. I shall post this in the UOC forum too. Hopefully a finished version can be debated then. And the Slander Bill should provide a new dimension. In fact, my solution is that the system requires refinement, as all fledgling political systems do. Problems arise and they are confronted, and amended via bills. The Slander Bill may be the first but I'm sure more will follow. Rather than abandoning it, let's try and improve it.

Nev, do you agree? Do others?
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Nevareion
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*applauds*

Precisely what is needed Joe Bobs and a good assesment of what is needed and where we should aim for. As in all things Q102 should be open to change and evolution in this area too.
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lamedud
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There's already one up in the sign up thread! Has this been overlooked?!
Here it is again - as I said at the time, if anyone wants to improve it - nows yer chance. (probably in the UOC thread though dude)

- Came up with the idea of opposition to improve democracy
- Believe in more citizen involvement in Q102
- Believe roleplay should be more focused on creativity over stats
- Believe the terrorism issue needs to be sorted - in a mature way
- Believe in a reintroduction of the Q102 defence force
- Believe fruitier recruitment is the only way to give Q102 a major rise in the ranking
- !!!!!!!!!!!!Believe in FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (lol)
- Know what they're on about
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Nevareion
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Great! But opposition (and PPP) activity in Parliament or in commenting on each other is minimal huh? I mean you could have commented on whether my retirement as delegate would damage the PPP, or you could have asked in Parlaiment how recruitment is going....in short, I forgot you had a programme as there was no evidence of it, sorry :)
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Joe Bobs
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I knew those points existed but I wasn't aware it had yet been formalised as a manifesto. Sorry!

Can I ask, a little off topic, when's the next election?
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@JB - in about 2.5 months

I am sorry Nev this was all in jest, the UOC has very little use in Q102, we hold no government posistions and we already speak our minds when we ahve new ideas, so what are we going to do other then have banners in our sigs and ask the PPP questions every now and then. it seems a little dull to me so i added some spice, i was reading in the PPP Secretary Nominations thread and though that LD's vote crashing cound have a humorus spin on it so i made something up on the spot.

and saddly there is very little people to recrute so i start by trying to get people form the PPP, i already send T.G.s to the feeder regions but most people that do come to Q102 only stay for a bit or do not become active.
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You could propose legislation. You could hold the government to account to increase your chances of being elected next time (about 2 months away Joe Bobs ;) )
One of the reasons the "establishment" candidate has won every election we ever had is that in between elections the opposition has been invisible. Ask them questions, find out what they are doing. Challenge them on areas of concern in parliament, make statements about that or about what you think should happen. In short use parliament :)
Don't be sorry CM, I know it was in jest, but I think it can be both fun and functional and I wanted people to start thinking about how to achieve that - something I was in no position to do as a government member but I am keen to see a proper democratic parliament take place as it will help us grow :)
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