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The United Opposition Coalition; [OOC UOC Party only]
Topic Started: Dec 22 2005, 06:27 PM (3,700 Views)
lamedud
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Good WELCOME BT! Nice to have you on board. The UOC is truely growing! :yes:

Oh and on foreign policy, I believe our neutrality suits us at the moment. We've gone nothing to gain by getting into scraps with other countries. We use the weapon of diplomatic relations if anythings turning sour. (i.e the west pacific) which is possibly a reason to be worried.
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Joe Bobs
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Thanks Nev! :D

edit: I agree with you LD. I think diplomatic relations are more important than out and out war. I think Q102 is too important to be risked. If someone wants a war, there's always RP.
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Blue Tiger
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I wasn't saying we go off and fight a bunch of wars, but we can't be neutral in everything. There are times and places where you need to stand up for something, and we need to define what we're willing to stand up for and why, so we can be ready to defend it when the time comes.

While war should be avioded, there are times when it's best not to (imagnie if the U.S. never got involved in WW II). "Pray for Peace, prepare for War."
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lamedud
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Ah. Well I think the term neutral isnt fixed. If a country gives itself a neutral position it means it won't go around invading and it won't get involved in arguements that dont affect it. However, if affected directly, it can take action.

I'm still unsure about the whole stepping into other peoples arguement thing for Q102. If its not our problem - why should we get involved? However, if it is likely to affect us in the future then thats the time for questioning. We are not Nationstates police, but if threatened, we rear our teeth. like a dog. woof.
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Blue Tiger
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Oh, so we're a dog now? lol :lol:
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Joe Bobs
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Erm, yes? lol

I think the take home message is that we are generally neutral, and neutral as regards existing conflicts. If we were to come under attack, then 'neutral' is a term that could no longer be used as we have been made a foe by an invader.

I'm not sure if that even makes sense.

In the case of the US in WWII, they were only defending their trade interests. As trade is pretty much superfluous to the NS world, it's not an eventuality we are likely to face.

However, to LD, or anyone that can answer, if an ally of ours came under attack, are we not required to assist them? If not, why do we use the term 'ally' at all? Although I would not support scrapping allegiances as they may as well exist.
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lamedud
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Hmmm. Now theres a good point. But again, that breaks down the whole 'neutral' thing again. Surely if we have alliances, we should honour them. And we can't go around deleting them all. OK!

NEW PLAN. Neutral means -
-We dont openly attack any nation that we have nothing to do with
-We remain impartial in disputes that dont affect us or our allies

If ourselves or our allies come under attack -
-We use diplomacy as far as it will go - military action is always a last resort
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Joe Bobs
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I fully support that LD. That's exactly what our stance should be. Diplomacy all the way! :D

Is that going to be added to our official manifesto?
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lamedud
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Sure thing. uh.. Where shall I put it? I can't edit the old manifesto cos its from ages ago...
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Bringing fabulousness closer

Post editing has been extended for all Citizens. Apologies this was not done before as we had a very complicated user group system. We simplified it a while back but this was overlooked[/admin]
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Blue Tiger
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Good idea LD! I apporve. :thumbsup:

Just wanted to use that smilie. lol
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Joe Bobs
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UOC stats:
Membership increased 33% in the last week.
75% of members are judges.
Represent players from 4 different RL nations.

I cannot think of anymore, but these can be used in debates to sound clever!

:P
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lamedud
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Scotland, America, England x2 and Canada. Bitchin!
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Blue Tiger
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Yo! That's like, my fav. word. Bitchen dog. :lol:
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Joe Bobs
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5 members? :o Whoa! Who's this other one? I knew of me, CM, LD and Blue Tiger. Who is this mystery fifth person?
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