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Topic Started: Dec 10 2005, 04:54 PM (579 Views)
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Found an interesting news story in another region's media outlet? Why not share it here by posting a link?

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An interesting story from Tabloid Tribune over at The Pacific (note the "Tabloid" title :D ) about recent ambassadorial events in Hyrule:

Pope Hope: Vote Early and Often

Also the following article and the ensuing conversation of it's more weighty sister publication Pacific Press regarding the recent forum attack on the Invaders off-site board:

RLA Destroys Invader's Board
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The Tabloid Tribune wishes Nasicouria the best with its second embassy in Hyrule, and has a few tidbits of advice for keeping it:

1) Post at least once per month in your embassy
2) The House of Members is for Members
3) Don’t commit electoral fraud if you don’t have to
4) Keep naïve regions away from the experienced regions who might tell Hyrule that electoral fraud is bad



i thought this was the funnest thing i have ever read
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The Tabloid Tribune is often good for a chuckle ;)

[edit] oh for....you'd think at my age I could spell "often"
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Dec 10 2005, 04:58 PM
An interesting story from Tabloid Tribune over at The Pacific (note the "Tabloid" title :D ) about recent ambassadorial events in Hyrule:

Pope Hope: Vote Early and Often

Oh awesome, I was part of it. Thanks Nev, I'll post it in Hyrule.
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Heh, I did like that article about Hyrule. :lol:
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From the Pacific,
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By Decree of The Pacific Senate we issue this statement regarding Nasicournia.

It has come to our attention that Nasicournia has granted recognition to the Pacific Army by way of an Embassy. This is unacceptable and will not be allowed to pass unremarked.

Despite empty exhortations from Nasicournia that they have no designs on the Pacific historically their actions indicate otherwise. We have suffered incursions from their Intelligence services, been attacked openly by their Military, actively maligned in their foreign policy and watched as they have given our enemies aid, comfort, support and training. No more.

We have tried to come to a dialogue only to be rebuffed as on their terms or no terms at all. These malignant userites will not dictate to Mother Pacific any longer; all offers of dialogue are now withdrawn. We consider this recognition of hostile units an act of war.

Pacific Army, despite claims to the contrary, are a hodgepodge of Nasicournians and remnant Czarists from Thedoc. Nasicournia refuses to make any stance on the Pacific Army's admitted mission statement to undermine the Pacific save open support and recognition? The old argument of exiles has run hollow. They have resided in Nasicournia for two years by that reckoning. They can no longer claim The Pacific as their home. It is a farce and a joke to even insinuate otherwise.

Effective immediately Nasicournia is considered an Enemy state. They are actively supporting a subversive movement spawned and supported from their own territory. The Pacific will now demand of its citizens who have conflicts of Naturalization to make their choice very clear as to where they swear their loyalty. If not, the choice will be made for you.

Comrades! They have ignited the flames, now let them reap the whirlwind.

By unanimous vote on December 13, 2005:

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An Announcement from Nasicournia:
Official response to the recent declaration against our region released by the PRP

We have received the proverbial drop of the gauntlet from the current government of the Pacific, commonly known as the PRP.  We recognize that the PRP has declared war on our sovereign region, and while we find the gesture deplorable and unfortunate, will rise to the challenge should they attempt to make good on their threats.

We would like to address their reasoning of this declaration piece-by-piece:

QUOTE (PRP Accusation #1)
It has come to our attention that Nasicournia has granted recognition to the Pacific Army by way of an Embassy. This is unacceptable and will not be allowed to pass unremarked.


As of yesterday, Nasicournia agreed to the opening of an Embassy with the Pacific Army. The PRP had already been accusing us of doing such before the act had actually occurred. In our transparent public discussions on the opening of the PA Embassy, we made it clear that the opening in no way was meant to send a message of recognition or legitimacy to the ideals of the PA, most especially because as with most regions, Nasicournian opinion is split regarding the subject. However, in our discussions, we deemed that especially due to the propogandic parallels being drawn between our two regions, the opening of an Embassy to facilitate communication between Nasi and PA was most important. The region took a vote, the results were largely in the affirmative (with dual PA residents abstaining), and hence under our Constitution we followed the results of the vote and opened the embassy.

We would like to point out that many other regions maintain communication with the Pacific Army as well; this is not a phenomenon limited to Nasicournia, and was our sole purpose in opening the Embassy.

QUOTE (PRP Accusation #2)
Despite empty exhortations from Nasicournia that they have no designs on the Pacific historically their actions indicate otherwise. We have suffered incursions from their Intelligence services, been attacked openly by their Military, actively maligned in their foreign policy and watched as they have given our enemies aid, comfort, support and training. No more.


We openly invite the PRP to present evidence that the Nasicournian Intelligence Agency has embarked on "incursions" against the PRP. We would also point out that NasiCorps has never militarily attacked the PRP, and Nasicournia itself has only ever been involved in a liberation attempt of the Pacific when the majority of the free world also participated--and even then, only by way of volunteer military personnel.

We would then invite the PRP to inform the world of "Operation: Hiedra" and other such nefarious activities designed to expose intelligence agents of ADN regions in order to blackmail, bribe, and expose these nations to invader groups. We would further ask the PRP to justify their methods in procuring this information, which included but was not limited to the messenger and IRC impersonation of Nasicournian Intelligence officials, and Intelligence officials from other ADN regions. We would also like an explanation of why the BPI ordered the placement of espionage agents in Nasicournia, Equilism, the North Pacific, and other regions both with and without membership in the Alliance Defense Network.

We have never actively given any enemy of the PRP "aid, comfort, support, and training." Many residents of Nasicournia sympathize with the plight of the Pacific refugees that have not yet left the game; indeed some of our residents qualify as such themselves. As of the time of this statement, there is and has been to foreign policy against the PRP. Even as recently as last week we were in fact extending an invitation to open communications with their government.

QUOTE (PRP Accusation #3)
We have tried to come to a dialogue only to be rebuffed as on their terms or no terms at all. These malignant userites will not dictate to Mother Pacific any longer; all offers of dialogue are now withdrawn. We consider this recognition of hostile units an act of war.


On the contrary, the PRP has never made any gesture to open communications with Nasicournia. Again and again (most recently by our Founder, Pope Hope herself) we have made gestures on behalf of our region both on the PRP forum and the Equilism forum (please note there are three threads included there) to open communications between the government of Nasicournia and the PRP, and as you can see, again and again our attempts were rebuffed, not because of a reason of ours, but because the PRP demanded it be on their terms or on none at all.

QUOTE (PRP Accusation #4)
Pacific Army, despite claims to the contrary, are a hodgepodge of Nasicournians and remnant Czarists from Thedoc. Nasicournia refuses to make any stance on the Pacific Army's admitted mission statement to undermine the Pacific save open support and recognition? The old argument of exiles has run hollow. They have resided in Nasicournia for two years by that reckoning. They can no longer claim The Pacific as their home. It is a farce and a joke to even insinuate otherwise.


Nasicournia had no foreknowledge of nor hand in the resurrection of the Pacific Army. We have always openly stated that we have several Pacific exiles as citizens of our region; we actively invited them to join our region during the mass expulsions executed in the past.

On the argument of their current legitimacy, these residents have never ceased in their determination to free their homeland. They hope that any nation wrongly expelled from their home by usurpers would maintain this mindset far longer than two years later, even when others have granted the invading force legitimacy.

Nasicournia itself is a widely diverse region with nations of dual citizenship from many different regions around the world. All of these regions hold different policies on the PRP (or none at all), and with our diverse membership, there is no consensus of opinion. It is a "farce and a joke" to continue stating that Nasicournia itself is one of mass mindset, and furthermore to insist that we all hold the same opinions regarding the the evolution of the NPO into the PRP.

Furthermore, Nasicournia has consistently offered refuge to Pacific Exiles spanning the entirety of the two+ years in which there has been a need to provide asylum for exiled Pacificans. Not all of our exiled Pacifican residents are from two years ago; many are considerably more recently ejected, and some held positions of leadership.

In fact, due to our acceptance of Pacific exiles, we have more than enough hard evidence to demonstrate to the world that the PRP has been planning to declare war upon Nasicournia and its borders months before the action was taken on December 14th, 2005. They simply hadn't come up with a good enough excuse for it before now. If you would like to see this evidence which includes discussions on the merits and downsides of invading Nasicournia taking place as far back as April of 2005 (and much more), please visit the Nasicournian Forum and make a PM request to either Pope Hope or Majesto.

We had hoped that we would never have to reveal this evidence to the world, but it appears they have forced our hand.

QUOTE (PRP Threat #1)
Effective immediately Nasicournia is considered an Enemy state. They are actively supporting a subversive movement spawned and supported from their own territory. The Pacific will now demand of its citizens who have conflicts of Naturalization to make their choice very clear as to where they swear their loyalty. If not, the choice will be made for you.


It is quite sad to see the PRP further persecute citizens of the Pacific for their involvement in yet another region. This statement is undoubtedly directed at 1838/SWATH, which is further disappointing, considering SWATH has on numerous occasions also been one to promote an opening of relations (including embassy exchange) between Nasicournia and the PRP. It seems that since their attempts to exile him by way of doctored screenshots failed, and this is the only way they can "legally" revoke his citizenship.

The citizens of Nasicournia had been wondering about the renewed propaganda campaign being perpetrated by the PRP against our sovereign region as of late. Today's statement released by the PRP, which basically amounts to a declaration of war, definitively explains the recently increased activity.

Any and every nation and region of the international community who peruses the tabloids and news stories of the PRP, in combination with statements made on their own home forum and abroad, will easily witness that certain members of the PRP government have openly and actively attempted to provoke Nasicournia long before now. They will also be able to see that no such provocation exists here or in Nasicournian activity abroad. We have adopted a policy of ignoring such propaganda and attempts to provoke conflict in the past. Unfortunately with this outright threat, we are no longer able to do so. We hope the international community comes to understand this in the tumultuous days to come.

QUOTE (PRP Threat #2)
Comrades! They have ignited the flames, now let them reap the whirlwind.


With this statement, we recognize the threats presented to us by the People's Republic of the Pacific. With no option of peaceful resolution or diplomacy left available, from here on out we will react accordingly.

Pope Hope, Founder of Nasicournia
Katangara, Delegate of Nasicournia
Majesto, Nasicournian Officer and NSC Director
Remin, Nasicournian Officer and Senior Foreign Affairs Director
Valiturus, Nasicournian Officer and Foreign Affairs Director
DeltaOne, Nasicournian Officer and Recruitment Director
Biyah, Nasicournian Officer and Chief NasiNews Editor
Mental folk, Nasicournian Officer
Hrmmm, NSC Flying Squad, NasiCorps Elite
Gasponia, NSC Flying Squad, NasiCorps Elite
The Charlatans, NasiCorps Elite
New_Cimmeria, NasiCorps Elite
John Ashcroft Land, NasiCorps Elite
Kowaibikuta, NasiCorps
FutureEngland, Nasicournian Resident
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For your reading pleasure, this is a dissected rebuttal of the Nasicournian latest statement.

To make this user friendly, we have highlighted the Pacifican reply in bold and we have chosen to remove the quotes from our first statement, which they used in their rebuttal. You may scroll up the page to read it if you feel you don't understand.

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An Official Announcement from Nasicournia:

We have received the proverbial drop of the gauntlet from the current government of the Pacific, commonly known as the PRP.  We recognize that the PRP has declared war on our sovereign region, and while we find the gesture deplorable and unfortunate, will rise to the challenge should they attempt to make good on their threats.

Game mechanics make it impossible for the Pacific to wage war on Nasicournia. The reverse is not the same, sadly, a fact which Nasicournia has taken an advatage of repeatedly. Nasicournia is an enemy State of the Pacific, yet the Pacific will not wage war on Nasicournian soil.

We would like to address their reasoning of this declaration piece-by-piece:

As of yesterday, Nasicournia agreed to the opening of an Embassy with the Pacific Army.  The PRP had already been accusing us of doing such before the act had acually occurred.  In our transparent public discussions on the opening of the PA Embassy, we made it clear that the opening in no way was meant to send a message of recognition or legitimacy to the ideals of the PA, most especially because as with most regions, Nasicournian opinion is split regarding the subject.  However, in our discussions, we deemed that especially due to the propogandic parallels being drawn between our two regions, the opening of an Embassy to facilitate communication between Nasi and PA was most important.  The region took a vote, the results were largely in the affirmative (with dual PA residents abstaining), and hence under our Constitution we followed the results of the vote and opened the embassy.

Actions speak louder than words. Whatever the reasoning behind the opening of this statement is (which, we acknowledge, is far from innocent), Nasicournia has chosen to recognize the enemies of the Pacific, as opposed to its government.  In addition, three Nasicournian members/retired groupies, Defaultia, Valiturus, and Jon Blackwolf, took the pleasure of announcing the embassy/absolvement of wrongdoing to us in our chatroom on Friday or Saturday, along with several ill-attempted baiting comments.  Blackwolf, in fact, removed someone from our channel banlist - certainly no attempt to impose upon our regional sovereignty.

It is also untrue that Nasicournian citizens holding dual citizenship in Pacific Army abstained from the latest vote on the establishment of diplomatic relations. Citizens John Ashcroft Land and Valiturus, both residents of region Pacific Army (and the former an active participant), voted in favor of recognition.


We would like to point out that many other regions maintain communication with the Pacific Army as well; this is not a phenomenon limited to Nasicournia, and was our sole purpose in opening the Embassy.

We reject Nasicournia’s invitation on the basis that we cannot accept invitations to explain false statements. The Pacific has never placed spies in Equilism, rather, we have worked with Equilismer officials in isolating a former member of such region which had been expelled from their fora and region.

We openly invite the PRP to present evidence that the Nasicournian Intelligence Agency has embarked on "incursions" against the PRP.  We would also point out that NasiCorps has never militarily attacked the PRP, and Nasicournia itself has only ever been involved in a liberation attempt of the Pacific when the majority of the free world also participated--and even then, only by way of volunteer military personnel.

Invasion of the Pacific ordered by the founder of Nasicournia - April 2005

Invasion of the Pacific - September 2004

Let it be noted that the April 2005 invasion occurred at the same time a Puppetmaster attacked was being prepared against the then NP delegate Pixiedance. The Pacific does not distinguish between voluntary participation and other forms of military participation. Voluntary warfare is warfare. The People's Militia is a volunteer force.

We would then invite the PRP to inform the world of "Operation Hiedra" and other such nefarious activities designed to expose intelligence agents of ADN regions in order to blackmail, bribe, and expose these nations to invader groups.  We would further ask the PRP to justify their methods in procuring this information, which included but was not limited to the messenger and IRC impersonation of Nasicournian Intelligence officials, and Intelligence officials from other ADN regions.  We would also like an explanation of why the BPI ordered the placement of espinonage agents in Nasicournia, Equilism, and other regions with membership in the Alliance Defense Network.

We reject Nasicournia’s invitation on the basis that we cannot accept invitations to explain false statements. The Pacific has never placed spies in Equilism, rather, we have worked with Equilismer officials in isolating a former member of such region which had been expelled from their fora and region. As to this Hiedra project, what is it about?

We have never actively given any enemy of the PRP "aid, comfort, support, and training."  Many residents of Nasicournia sympathize with the plight of the Pacific refugees that have not yet left the game; indeed some of our residents qualify as such themselves.  As of the time of this statement, there is and has been to foreign policy against the PRP.  Even as recently as last week we were in fact extending an invitation to open communications with their government.

On the contrary, the PRP has never made any gesture to open communications with Nasicournia.  Again and again (most recently by our Founder, Pope Hope herslef) we have made gestures on behalf of our region both on the PRP forum and the Equilism forum (please note there are three threads included there) to open communications between the government of Nasicournia and the PRP, and as you can see, again and again our attempts were rebuffed, not becayse of a reason of ours, but because the PRP demanded it be on their terms or on none at all.

The Pacific has attempted to solve conflicts with Nasicournia and the ADN via diplomatic channels. In 2004, members of the Pacific were invited to a conference that never took place. The Pacific was once willing to accept negotiation conditions on Nasicournian terms, but to expect we would do so again after our region was delivered a grand slap in the face by the withdrawal of Nasicournian and ADN representatives from said convention is ridiculous at best.

At the moment this offer was being presented, members of the Nasicournian high hierarchy were striving to rebuild Pacific Army, a region whose purpose is the removal of the sovereign government of the Pacific. The Pacific simply asked Nasicournia to cease all hostile activities via this proxy region and for once and for all, recognize the People’s Republic as the government of the Pacific via the opening of an embassy in The Pacific’s forums.


Nasicournia had no foreknowledge of nor hand in the resurrection of the Pacific Army.  We have always openly stated that we have several Pacific exiles as citizens of our region; we actively invited them to join our region during the mass expulsions executed in the past.

On the argument of their current legitimacy, these residents have never ceased in their determination to free their homeland.  They hope that any nation wrongly expelled from their home by usurpers would maintain this mindset far longer than two years later, even when others have granted the invading force legitimacy.

Nasicournia itself is a widely diverse region with nations of dual citizenship from many different regions around the world.  All of these regions hold different policies on the PRP (or none at all), and with our diverse membership, there is no consensus of opinion.  It is a "farce and a joke" to continue stating that Nasicournia itself is one of mass mindset, and furthermore to insist that we all hold the same opinions regarding the the evolution of the NPO into the PRP.

Here lies main point of conflict between Nasicournia and the Pacific - that Nasicournia is not willing to be held accountable for the actions of its members. Not just a minority, like Nasicournia’s founder would lead you to believe, but a large proportion of its most vocal members. As it was mentioned before, citizens holding dual citizenship in Pacific Army voted for the recognition of said region in Nasicournia. Nasicournia has, effectively, proved unwilling to deter its own citizens from attempting to subvert our region.

Yet again, it has not only been inaction which has been brought us to this point. Actions speak louder than words. Nasicournia has opened relations with a region trying to subvert another region’s government and its members have become active participants and supporters, both in Pacific Army and back home. This is a declaration of war in itself.

“These residents” are Nasicournian. Nasicournia as a whole has spoken in favour of those residents. Laws, statements, and diplomatic recognitions passed by a given government represent the intentions of all of its citizens. The “champions of democracy” should not neglect the consequences of the democratic process.

We are not willing to put our sovereignty in question. We are not willing to discuss once again whether the NPO or the PRP invaded the Pacific (a statement which is not only false and inflammatory, but which has been a pillar for Czarist and reactionary ideology for two years). Nasicournia has decided to challenge the Pacific and we have responded accordingly.

It is quite sad to see the PRP further persecute citizens of the Pacific for their involvement in yet another region.  This statement is undoubtedly directed at 1838/SWATH, which is further disappointing, considering SWATH has on numerous occasions also been one to promote an opening of relations (including embassy exchange) between Nasicournia and the PRP.  It seems that since their attempts to exile him by way of doctored screenshots failed, and this is the only way they can "legally" revoke his citizenship.

Nasicournia attempts to interfere with internal policy of the Pacific, namely, the process through which we grant citizenship. It also grants itself the priviledge of questioning what is lawful within our own region. Let it also be noted that Nasicournia itself praised the manner with which the perpetrator of those fake screenshots was brought to justice and that all charges against 1838/SWATH were dismissed. Unlike Nasicournia, the Pacific bounds its own members to law and punishes those that compromise our standing with other regions.

Perhaps our citizenship policies need to be adjusted so that similar dual citizenship controversies that led to the statement of policy of the Pacific towards Nasicournia do not surface in the Pacific itself and bring us into conflict with another region.


The citizens of Nasicournia had been wondering about the renewed propoganda campaign being perpetrated by the PRP against our sovereign region as of late.  Today's statement released by the PRP, which basically amounts to a declaration of war, definitively explains the recently increased activity.

Any and every nation and region of the international community who peruses the tabloids and news stories of the PRP, in combination with statements made on their own home forum and abroad, will easily witness that certain members of the PRP government have openly and actively attempted to provoke Nasicournia long before now.  They will also be able to see that no such provocation exists here or in Nasicournian activity abroad.  We have adopted a policy of ignoring such propoganda and attempts to provoke conflict in the past.  Unfortunately with this outright threat, we are no longer able to do so.  We hope the international community comes to understand this in the tumultuous days to come.

Nasicournia has always had problems facing the truth and assuming responsibility for their actions. We have taken the actions of regional founders as representative of their respective regions. Their attempts at "ignoring our propaganda" have been unsuccessful at best, given the latest attempts to discredit our latest article (yet failing to provide evidence that would support their claims).

With this statement, we recognize the threats presented to us by the People's Republic of the Pacific.  With no option of peaceful resolution or diplomacy left available, from here on out we will react accordingly.

Let it also be noted that the person who helped draft this statement is an active member of Pacific Army and has vouched for their cause on the Pacific fora and elsewhere.
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A very interesting article, from The Meritocracy via the Pacific Press:

http://s4.invisionfree.com/thepacific/inde...?showtopic=3165
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The Grenvali pressn added to news sources.


From the pacific:

A abloid report on Loop, longterm delegate of the East Pacific retiring from his position:
http://s4.invisionfree.com/thepacific/inde...?showtopic=3352

and a serious article on the use of phishing to gain intelligence in a recent case: http://s4.invisionfree.com/thepacific/inde...?showtopic=3261 refering to this article by the Grenvali Press: http://s8.invisionfree.com/The_Grenvali_Un...?showtopic=1587
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