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| Is abortion right?; Your moral thoughts on abortion | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 13 2007, 02:06 AM (980 Views) | |
| Scarlet Letter | Jan 26 2008, 06:48 PM Post #91 |
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@NightmareE39: I was stating that the baby wasn't human YET. And you're in the right mind that in a debate, you need to hear other people's opinions. You refuse to do so. What you don't understand, NightmarE39, is that not EVERYBODY shares your morals. There ARE women out there who don't want a child, couldn't support one, got raped...the point is, they'll do what they have to to get rid of the baby. If abortion's outlawed, they WILL go out on the streets to find somebody who will do it for them. This is much less safe than getting it done legally, in a hospital, where they would take procedures to make it safe. Instead of losing a single life, you could lose two, one of them already alive and thriving. Is it really worth it? Edit: Please don't quote page-stretching posts. Thank you. ~Houndoomed. |
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| CHARZARDRAKE | Jan 26 2008, 08:15 PM Post #92 |
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PSV Graphic Artist-Pure Ownage
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OMFG, YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN?!? :angry: AT THAT POINT OF TIME, IT ISN'T A CHILD!!! IT IS DEVELOPING INTO ONE!! God this thread is ****** me off.... :angry: |
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| Houndoomed | Jan 26 2008, 09:12 PM Post #93 |
Don't mess with the best.
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CD, if you're gonna reply, please do it in a calm and friendly manner. |
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| CHARZARDRAKE | Jan 26 2008, 09:41 PM Post #94 |
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PSV Graphic Artist-Pure Ownage
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Sorry....was in a bad mood earlier. |
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| Inta_Xonem | Jan 26 2008, 09:59 PM Post #95 |
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Slowpoke is slooowwww
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Dammit long posts D: Looks like I did.
Totally agreed.
Why should we sympathise on someone who's done something illegal. It's illegal partially for the reason of embarassment, and also because the woman may not be fully developed until then. It should not make any difference how old the person is, unless the pregnancy was caused by rape, it is partially their fault. Like I said before, in the case of protected sex, the woman still new there may be a possibility that she may become pregnant, therefore the person the baby would become shouldn't have to suffer.
Many people will not do anything illegal. If the woman is unfunded, then she would probably not be able to pay for an abortion, as people on the street would probably charge, or she'd be worried by a fine/prison sentance. Most people try to stick with the law, not work their way around it. There would also be less people skilled and willing to abort a child, so it would be more work trying to find a person to abort your child Many people would be to lazy to abort a child. In the case of a Rape, I feel it should be a special condition were the baby could legally be aborted if the mother wanted so.
Taking it away from religion, these things are just opinions, they are not definately wrong. I personally can't see anything wrong with selling drugs, it's someone else's choice if they want to abuse their body, not the dealers. And then murdering mixes into this topic because it's partially a debate on wether you are or aren't killing the baby.
Ok, I wanted to point this out. This is once again an opinion in a way. MY view and Nightmare's view is that you are destroying what the fetus would have become, eg. If you hadn't aborted it, it may have become an author, or the inventor of the Enthagram or something, but your opinion is that your destroying a non-living thing about the same size as a pear, which is true.
I know that British law alows you to abort the baby until serveral weeks after the time it becomes a baby from a endoparasite. We had this as our topic in church last time I was in the main meeting. (Not including the carol service or my baptism week)
I thought they only sold the unfertilized ones in shops  People are mean to chickens.But those chicks on the conveyer belt were still cute <3
Hang on don't they make burgers out of old dairy cows :x
I don't eat Lamb, for that exact reason. Although we're just killing the baby, not eating it. CD if this topic bothers you so much maybe you should read something else. And lol I actually started this post at 9:04 and it's now 10. Off Topic: Can someone create a new topic in this forum, I love debates. |
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| NightmarE39 | Jan 27 2008, 01:28 AM Post #96 |
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That would be a bit pathetic of me I don't wanna look like a sore loser.
I'm not trying to talk for animals. I mean babies have potential to be whatever they want;doctors,teachers etc. A chicken has the potential to be a rooster or in my moms cooking pot surrounded by curry.
Ok they are not separate because most people chose to be catholic so that might be why the government might merge them together. Also catholics are not trying to make it illegal we are trying to explain to people why it is wrong. No there was never any sperm shortage worry thats silly.
Catholics have not changed because we believe it IS human and that its the same as the woman so it has an equal right to live.
There would be a lot less people doing it catholics are not trying to make it illegal we are trying to make people decide to not do it on their own.
Well she could put it in an adoption home even if it gets adopted in most scenarios the mother gets the opportunity to be able to stay in contact with the child.
Better to live in bad than to not live at all and remember not all of them suicide.
Ok its their fault if they decide to do it under 18 so they get a consequence and if she is raped and its not her fault don't make her go back and ok even if she did i dought she would be bullied and that does not mean she would go on drugs .
Ok have you ever heard the saying "a mind is a terrible thing to waste" (not to be racist) but before Americans used to think African-Americans were not like humans however they came out and thought of ideas such the elevator,the blood bank and a lot of other thing that actualy helped medicine so what if the fetus was someone who could have helped such developments. Also I'm asking to to look at what the fetus IS but what it has potential to be.
If you don't plan to have the baby don't do it I mean it is also their fault for putting such faith that it would work.
I believe I answered earlier in this post.
You are right I cannot and I am not.
Is that teacher catholic? If you want to know real stuff about catholics go to a catholic church or read the catholic bible.
I DO know I just dont wanna have this debate getting too scientific.
A bit ironic isn't it the man who said he wants to prevent mass flaming goes ahead and flames ME. And exactly my point you guys made it sound like it was not human at all but it is developing into a human which is why i put it in the category. You guys are getting to technical about it oh "it was not a baby at the time" well the reply to that is "it was meant to be a baby and you stopped that". and getting argued at is the fun of a debate we are talking about a serious matter but if we are all serious and don't have a bit of fun replying would be a burden instead of a privilege so if you don't like to argue or get argued at there is no room for you at a proper debate. Inta i like debates as well. |
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| Trainer X | Jan 27 2008, 05:34 AM Post #97 |
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First of all, my remark about intelligence in replies was targeted at Inta. Second, roosters, like anything else, have the potential to be whatever the heck they want to be. Their brains, on the other hand, limit this potential, due to their size. They might have eventually evolved into an intelligent species, like humans have, but, as is obvious, humans were the first to evolve, and have since been limiting the evolution potential of other species through eating them. But the point is that the chicken has plenty of potential as well. Maybe one of its eggs will have the first Avian Bird Flu resistant antibodies? Maybe it'll have the first cells with 0% cancer chance? But you won't give it a chance, because it's going to end up in your mom's cooking pot. No, most people do not choose to be Catholic. Over 50% of today's Catholics were born into the faith and have chosen to remain Catholic. But you cannot say that most people are Catholic either, considering that there are 6 billion total people on this planet, and only 2 billion practice any form of Christianity, so it's logical to assume that half, if not less, of all Christians are Catholic. The United States will not combine religion and government. Why? For one, about a third of its total population would vacate the country. No Middle Eastern or Asian country would take its opinions seriously since they would be religiously founded. And, finally, it would put itself at a disadvantage, and the United States can't afford that. Yes, it was because they were afraid of using up their sperm. It seems silly to you, because today we know better than that. But back then, when the Torah and the Bible were written, they didn't know that, and thus banned abortions to make every sure every bit of sperm went to good use. You are trying to explain to people why you think that abortions are wrong. But, truth be told, it's up to the people to decide. You counter my endoparasite arguments by claiming that the fetus will eventually become a baby which has to potential to be something great, right? Well, women have periods once a month, in which they lose eggs which also have the potential to become human children. So, by your logic, periods are unethical and should be completely banned. Once again, wrong. My Hebrew School teacher makes her living working for an adoption agency, which is one of the reasons that she's teaching the course that she is (Other Religions). She told us that in adoption agencies, the mother is not permitted to see the child again until he/she is 18 years old. Now tell me, if you hadn't seen or heard from your child in 18 years, wouldn't you be a bit worried? Also, keep in mind why people commit suicide. You say that it's better to live horribly than to not live at all. People who have committed suicide obviously think that it's better to not live at all than to live badly, so your point is nulled. So it's her fault if she has underage sex. So why should the baby have to suffer for it? Physical bullying in school could cause harm to the fetus, which would result in the child paying for the mother's screw up. Is my teacher Catholic? No, she teaches at a Hebrew School, why would she be Catholic? But she took at least one year of religious studies at college, although I think it was upwards towards four years. So you're saying that all four years are a waste because you can't actually know anything about a religion unless you're a member of it? I know a lot about Christianity just from asking my friends questions about it, so I'm pretty sure that the point is null. Plus, I assume that for her religious studies class, they did in fact study the Bible, and they did in fact go to churches and synagogues and the like, or else it wouldn't have really taught them much. Finally, what's wrong with science? Abortion has never been properly debated due to the pro-life opinions always being religiously based. If someone ever made an argument against abortion to me without a religious basis, then I might listen to them. Otherwise, no, i won't, because all of the arguments that they (Catholics) pose only remain valid to Catholics. |
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| Inta_Xonem | Jan 27 2008, 09:31 AM Post #98 |
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Slowpoke is slooowwww
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lol only 2 billion people. That's a third of earth's population, and I was under the impression the amount of Christians was rising. I have no idea about a catholic to not catholic christian population, but I think that the amount of catholics there is decreasing, if I remember correctly, if that helps your next post.
I have to consider this point invalid, because I have no faith in evolution. I personally believe evolution is a belief that cannot be proven, but that was another topic (all though feel free to revive that :D)
You should suggest that to the goverment, they might start checking eggs for those things or something before selling them. Except you might of destroyed the fetus who would have become the only person who'd actually listen.
Who physically bullies pregnant people Morons. They should have a fine or something for bullying in my opinion, some dstrict rules to stop it.
In all, it's the person's decision. If they decide to keep going to church ect. but don't actually believe it, then they aren't catholic, they just say they are.
But you could be saying the same thing about murders, or terrorism. Why are they considered so wrong? Terrorism is a religion, in my belief, and they obviously feel it's morally right. And it's up to them if they want to blow themselves up in the name of someone-or-other. But the goverment has made that illegal.
Not every child in a care home commits suicide. Probably a low percentage do. I know two girls from a mother who couldn't manage children who are close friends of my sister, and they were adopted just after their birth, and their perfectly happy. And last time I checked, they hadn't commited suicide. Also, they have met their real mother, and for that matter, their third sister who their mother looks after.
You're views on Christianity wil be biast into it being false, so you wont have the same views and possibly wont understand the views of christians. |
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