Global Warming, War, and Fixing it

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Global Warming, War, and Fixing it; A topic about my opinions on pollution
Topic Started: Jul 31 2007, 11:03 PM (188 Views)
Asuran B	Jul 31 2007, 11:03 PM Post #1
Avatar and siggy by Ongaku. Posts: 964 Group: Game Staff Member #9 Joined: February 24, 2007	Many people are of the opinion that humans are to blame for global warming. This cannot be true. While it is true that we contribute to CO2 which could explain warming of the atmosphere the sun may play more of a part than we expected. It is very unlikely that a single planet could change the sun's variations this dramatically. My theory is that it is a cycle, with the sun's activity changing, could contribute. Evidence was given by a group of scientists that heating the oceans could decrease temperature in northern areas and increase ice mass and snowfall by a bizarre event of the currents, which are powered by and react to heat. This temperature decrease could begin to circulate colder water throughout the Earth's oceans, spreading the temperature change. This, could have occured hundreds of thousands of years ago, causing the previous Ice Age. This shows that the temperature was closest to average in the years 2000 to about 2002. It could have been slowly increasing from the average temperature of the Ice Age. Whatever was happening to increase it faster could have easily been caused by the sun or the Earth's core. Let's take a large scale look. This shows that there were very few fluctuations that we are carrying out ourselves. The temperature change has a sort of cycle showing that hotter temperatures almost always cause colder ones. We should probably be comparing with other planets to see if they feel the effects we do. Mars seems good for the following reason. Wikipedia Of all the planets, Mars' seasons are the most Earth-like, due to the similar tilts of the two planets' rotational axes. However, the lengths of the Martian seasons are about twice those of Earth's, as Mars’ greater distance from the sun leads to the Martian year being approximately two Earth years in length. Martian surface temperatures vary from lows of approximately −140 °C (−220 °F) during the polar winters to highs of up to 20 °C (70 °F) in summers. Here is a quote that explains a lot: Wikipedia The Viking probes of the mid-1970s carried experiments designed to detect microorganisms in Martian soil at their respective landing sites, and had some apparently positive results, including a temporary increase of CO2 production on exposure to water and nutrients. This means that our mere presence on Earth could be increasing the CO2. Now, you may want to fix this. If so, you are probably a supporter of Kyoto. Wikipedia Some environmental economists have been critical of the Kyoto Protocol. Many see the costs of the Kyoto Protocol as outweighing the benefits, some believing the standards which Kyoto sets to be too optimistic, others seeing a highly inequitable and inefficient agreement which would do little to curb greenhouse gas emissions. The Kyoto is biased and too expensive. It attacks the U.S. and does little to control the rapidly expanding China, which, as stated by an article in a recent issue of Popular Science, "...will surpass the U.S. to become the #1 emitter of greenhouse gases in the year 2008." So, all in all, pack up your swimsuits and get ready for some snowy nights. War section, coming soon



Poke Alster	Jul 31 2007, 11:17 PM Post #2
Advanced Posts: 347 Group: Members Member #53 Joined: June 25, 2007	WOW, i was led to believe it was all our fault(thats all i've ever heard) thanks for doing this dude, its opened my eyes :rolleyes:



Asuran B	Jul 31 2007, 11:24 PM Post #3
Avatar and siggy by Ongaku. Posts: 964 Group: Game Staff Member #9 Joined: February 24, 2007	You are welcome. Now, I don't want you to assume that everything I said here is true for in fact, none of it may be. I'm just showing what I believe and a little evidence to back it up. I would like it if other people can defend their side. I always like a small debate.



CHARZARDRAKE	Aug 1 2007, 12:49 AM Post #4
PSV Graphic Artist-Pure Ownage Posts: 692 Group: Global Moderators Member #36 Joined: May 6, 2007	I'm with you...we didn't cause all of the global warming. There are many other factors involved-though I believe we did cause most of it. I believe that in the last 10-20 years, we went from being around 30% of the problem to about 60-70%. I also believe that cars and other vehicles caused most of this, but some factories are also guilty. As for the Mars part, I believe we should do as much as we can to stop the spread of Co2 before doing anything on other planets. I think we should try to clean up our waste, but we have to subdue the source first.



Asuran B	Aug 1 2007, 01:35 AM Post #5
Avatar and siggy by Ongaku. Posts: 964 Group: Game Staff Member #9 Joined: February 24, 2007	Acctually, meat proccesing plants alone cause more CO2 yearly than all transportation in the world. Perhaps we should become a species of herbavores. I still stick firmly to the belief that the sun is going through one of it's cycles and somehow it changed, got disrupted or is taking a different, although perfectly normal course. For all we know, there is no life anywhere else. And unfortunately, life could be harmful to the universe. There is almost no way that life helps the universe. I'm not saying we should eliminate life, I'm just saying that any life at all could upset some sort of balance. In a universal scale, life is not natural.



BlakAdder	Aug 1 2007, 03:14 AM Post #6
Avatar courtesy of http://fanboys-online.com Posts: 606 Group: Moderators Member #32 Joined: April 17, 2007	Thank you so much. That reveals so much information that I didn't know before. Darn Greenpeace hiding the facts... jk



Poke Alster	Aug 1 2007, 06:17 PM Post #7
Advanced Posts: 347 Group: Members Member #53 Joined: June 25, 2007	I wish the sceintists would make up thier mind, some say its our fault, some say it isnt



Inta_Xonem	Aug 1 2007, 09:32 PM Post #8
Slowpoke is slooowwww Posts: 704 Group: Moderators Member #37 Joined: May 7, 2007	I watched a documentry on this a while ago, I didn't fully understand it because the scientists liked to talk fast and move on quickly ;o But they showed a graph showing that the natrual part would produce nearly so much Carbon Dioxide, but it did contribute, on a small scale. And Poke Alster, scientists can't be a hundred percent sure on anything, it's a hard job. I don't think their sure on some of the things teachers teach at school, such as evoloution (IX entirely things evolution is a load of rubbish, due to his religious beliefs/views.)



Poke Alster	Aug 1 2007, 10:31 PM Post #9
Advanced Posts: 347 Group: Members Member #53 Joined: June 25, 2007	yeye i know, but they keep on changing thier minds, i dont know what to believe



Inta_Xonem	Aug 2 2007, 08:15 AM Post #10
Slowpoke is slooowwww Posts: 704 Group: Moderators Member #37 Joined: May 7, 2007	Just believe we're entirely causing global warming, because that view would be more effective if it is, than believing the natrual way either way.


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