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| The Correct Religion | |
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| Topic Started: May 7 2008, 09:49 PM (969 Views) | |
| Opal | May 8 2008, 08:52 PM Post #21 |
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As I once heard in some class (geography, maybe?) is that people are bad, religons aren't. There is probably a point in history that all religions have been looked badly upon due to what some people did in the name of it. If you think about it, its sort of true. The Koran, the "muslim bible", states that "Thou shall not kill" in some form, yet look at what those terrorists are doing? Without religion, I believe a lot of people in the world would feel really really hopeless. Why should we even try to live if all we are going to do is end up decaying in some pit for the rest of our undead lives? People needed to feel like that there is a better world beyond the one plagued with suffering, and that they should be good people to end up in a good place. Yes, the bible and other holy books were probably being a bit overblown, but the human race was slow back then. Teenagers in high school still don't understand evolution completely, so how do you expect people back in the ancient times to understand this? Bleh, I hate debates. I feel all sad inside. =( |
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| Diggeh | May 8 2008, 09:04 PM Post #22 |
just another ordinary day
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The sad thing is, there's no real way to have any sort of debates for religion and ethnicity. One person starts the discussion off seemingly neutral, then all the sudden a group of people with different ideals come together and express their opinions; this leads to Simple solution: Follow the religion that you believe in. Don't let others say "HAW HAW YOU'RE A CHRISTIAN/ATHEIST/ETC LOL NOOB" or "ROFL BIBLE'S FAKE" to you; believe in whatever satisfies you and makes you feel right. For me, that's being a Christian with morals and a kind heart; for others, it's being a Pastafarian with the ability to believe in a god that will demolish this earth with his thousands of noodly appendages. It all comes down to what you believe is right, what your dreams are, and if the religion satisfies your needs and beliefs. "True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all one's goodness and righteousness." -Albert Einstein Never mind. Don't mind ol' logical Diggeh. Continue your discussion, guys. D: |
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| The Shadow's Inferno | May 8 2008, 10:05 PM Post #23 |
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Christian, though agnostic. That's all I'm going to say here. |
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| Shed | May 8 2008, 10:47 PM Post #24 |
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Let me make a few things clear: some people have atheism wrong, and others have religion wrong. I'll start with religion. Please note that most, if not all, of what I say henceforth is being generalized. From Dictionary.com, religion is "a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects." [Ref] Evidently, this does not imply a God, necessitate rituals or prayers, or anything like that (though one of the definitions does mention those). Any set of beliefs could be called a religion. Now, atheism. Again from Dictionary.com, atheism is "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings." [Ref] Again, contrary to popular belief, atheism does not imply the absence of morals, righteousness, or even spirituality. Atheism is, in a way, a religion, and not a lack thereof. Atheism is simply, literally, a lack of god(s) (Greek: prefix a-, "no", plus theo, "god"). I am personally an agnostic atheist, though I do share Christian (or Catholic, I never know...) morals, as I was raised in a Christian country. My reason for not believing in a superhuman being is simply that I prefer to believe in evolutionary theories, which seem logical, and which contradict theories dictated by most theist religions (such as Christianism). As there is no proof for or against the existence of any gods, and I have had no personal experience to support or deny its/their existence, I take the liberty of choosing which way to go. Though it may seem contradictory, I believe in other little things that are equally unproven, though bits of experience have rather forced me to accept as true. Diggeh's right, though, just believe in whatever you want. But most of all: accept that others may--and probably do--think differently. |
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| sherlock. | May 9 2008, 02:36 PM Post #25 |
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What's your reason for believing in God? Bare in mind that 'I was raised to believe' wouldn't be a VALID reason by your standards. In the last topic- possibly a bit controversial- I compared God to Santa Clause. If no one was told that Santa Clause was fake, we would be living in a society where people believed in God as well as Santa Clause. There's as much proof for the existence of the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and Santa Clause, as there is for God. I personally believe, no offense intended, that Christians believe in God because they don't want to believe that this is it. They refuse to have sex before marriage, they won't drink alcohol, they won't even try drugs before they dismiss it. I don't mean to promote alcohol or drugs in anyway, but isn't this the same as Pascal's wager, but on the other end of the scale? Pascal's wager is this: If you believe in a God and repent for your sins, you will die and find out that there is no God and no afterlife - "no harm done." If you don't believe, commit sins and never repent, you'll die and find out that there is a God, and you'll be sent to hell. Therefore it makes sense to believe in God. So it's either, live a life with regret and missed opportunities/trying new things, go to heaven, and continue your simple life by the side of God. Or do whatever the hell you like as long as it stands accordingly to your own morals and you don't offend anyone. |
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| The Shadow's Inferno | May 9 2008, 04:21 PM Post #26 |
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Define 'they'. I'm a Christian and I intend to do all of those things. EDIT: Okay, maybe not drugs, but why would I try them anyway? There is no point to using them anyway. |
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| Spookyghost | May 9 2008, 05:10 PM Post #27 |
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Sounds the better option to me. (: I'm not sure where I stand on the religious stage, so I better leave this topic now. *runs* |
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| sherlock. | May 9 2008, 05:12 PM Post #28 |
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How do you know? You can never judge something if you haven't tried it. Wikipedia doesn't have the answers. And by 'they' I meant most christians. |
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| Penguin | May 9 2008, 06:48 PM Post #29 |
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Well, he's a platypus. They don't do much.
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I don't think those things are wrong because I'm Christian. I think those things are wrong because they are WRONG. And don't pull that try new things card on me. Oh, I think I'll kill someone today, just to try something new. Just because you haven't tried something doesn't mean you should. I know I said you should try religion, however. That is not physically or emotionally harmful, as the other things would be. It's not missing out of anything. It's simply not doing something. I don't get answers from Wikipedia for things that are important. Not to mention new studies show that pot is more dangerous than once believed. I mean, I just saw this on Comcast news today. And for those of you who are like 'the media is corrupt lol,' don't be so paranoid. (I'm not referring to you, Jamie, just other people I know have this view) |
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May 9 2008, 07:04 PM Post #30 |
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i'm not one to try drugs or drink, but do whatever you guys want. :/ as for religion i tend to take on a panentheistic view (god and nature are the same, yet god is higher than nature). i've been trying to get in contact with a 'higher power' recently, and i feel that there is something out there, but it definitly isn't the douche of a christian god. personally christianity is a bunch of morals put into place to try and get people to act the way the church wants them to - i don't believe christianity is true, as a lot of it is stolen from ancient 'pagan' mythologies such as mithraism... just look at the depictions of god such as the one on the sistene chapel, then look at depections of the roman jupiter - similar, no? i don't believe the 'dark side' of the christian morals has been mentioned in this topic yet - things such as 'you can't be gay' (bull****) and 'women are inferior to men and belong in the home' (bull**** again). tl;dr version: christianity, though it seems like the 'correct' religion, has many things wrong with it. personally i believe the correct religion is yet to be discovered, and has been right in front of us all along. |
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| sherlock. | May 9 2008, 07:18 PM Post #31 |
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Explain to me how sex, drugs and alcohol are wrong? Drugs harm your mental health when taken frequently, depending on the variant and the dose. Alcohol... gives you a headache in the morning (All I'm aware of, lol.) But sex not meant for reproduction? Does that include masturbation? Which normally involves thinking about 'said activity'. |
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May 9 2008, 07:23 PM Post #32 |
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alcohol can lead to alcoholism, but that's only in people with certain brain chemistries (and little self-control). drugs can lead to addiction, but again only in certain people. the sex thing makes me lol at any christians who actually believe in it. |
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| Shed | May 9 2008, 07:29 PM Post #33 |
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There is no correct religion. The correct religion is the one that you believe in, preferably with plausible reason, and that hopefully does not imply conflict with other religions. Note that the only thing I said for sure in that sentence was "the one you believe in"; the rest is wishful thinking. |
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| Silfa | May 9 2008, 09:03 PM Post #34 |
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Alchohol and drygs I can understand, but sex? Sex is not suddenly different after you get married. Dolphins have sex for pleasure, yet I don't see anyone following them around condemning their sins. Sex is sex. Safe sex and such, I don't want a "you'll have a baby!" pulled on me here.
Killing someone results in you being a murderer and taking away someone's life. I stress that it is someone elses life. If you die from alchohol or drugs (or sex? lol) you're at fault for letting yourself reach that point.
I agree. However, it depends what you're talking about. Murder and having a couple of beers are different. One of which simply is wrong, the other's just a normal thing. |
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| Penguin | May 9 2008, 09:28 PM Post #35 |
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A lot of things are 'normal things' like lying but you still shouldn't do them. Sex can kill you. Hello AIDS? EDIT: I'm just gonna leave this topic because it's hard to argue about your nonreligious beliefs when no one else agrees and thinks you're crazy. D:! |
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May 9 2008, 09:37 PM Post #36 |
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yeah, sure sex can kill you, but so can drowning, and you don't hear 'thou shalt not swim' in the bible. there are a lot of things that have a chance of killing you. and sex is the only way humans make more humans, barring the overpopulation problem, it's supposed to happen. there's a reason sexy thoughts, masturbation and sex are pleasureable: to make people want to have sex. it's perfectly natural. |
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| Silfa | May 9 2008, 09:46 PM Post #37 |
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But beer and lying are different. Lying could lead to someone being offended, while two beers isn't going to hurt anyone. Lying may be considered a normal thing, but it's still considered a bad one. AIDS can indeed kill you, but it doesn't come from nowhere. Using AIDS doesn't really work though. I could just as easily say "don't eat that chocolate bar. You could get diabetes" I don't remember the bible saying anything about chocolate. Edit: Probably should've refreshed the page before replying. beaten to it. |
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| Leviathan | May 9 2008, 09:52 PM Post #38 |
http://abscure.net
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What's the point of this arguing? It's just a waste of your typing... |
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| Leviathan | May 9 2008, 10:06 PM Post #39 |
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OK here's what I have to add: Believe. Just believe in something. Even if you don't believe in God, you're believing in there being no God... the only thing that should piss someone off is a person doesn't care about religion. |
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| Quate | May 9 2008, 10:09 PM Post #40 |
RUN HE IS BESIDE YOU
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Anyway, on the note of the 'correct religion,' I do not believe that the word correct fits in here. Either they're all wrong, or one is close enough. Because face it, religion is completely man-made, and we all know man isn't perfect. So, God may not be God; he might be a backwards dog who calls out profound statements. How do we know? |
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