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| Quietline steering issues; Took it apart. see what I found | |
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| Topic Started: Mar 9 2009, 04:23 PM (502 Views) | |
| young enthusiest | Mar 9 2009, 04:23 PM Post #1 |
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I removed the steering wheel from the 1200 today. that method of the bolt and hammer works great! then pulled the column. cleaned exterior using Brakleen. Took the jam nuts of the big bolt, took that plate out. removed cam follower. washed cam follower, that plate, and the gasket holder in varsol. (gasket was toast. so it got discarded) then I took off the big plug on the bottom, and removed the shaft. cleaned the shaft in varsol and recovered 14 ball bearings. washed the balls, both washers from the shaft, and the plug. have not cleaned out the actual box yet. here are the parts, cleaned. This is the shaft. it is worn in many places. cut my finger along the groove.   The cam follower is in horrid shape. worn in about 3 milimeters on one side, about two on the other. some of the threads are broken. the head is missing a fair bit of material (found in the grease)     And the plate. judging from what I have read, the paint being worn off is good. my dad and I verified that it is straight. not warped.  There are 14 in this picture. notice the second one in on the right? it is actually that small!  These are the washers that were on the top and bottom of the steering shaft in the box.  The second bearing race on the steering shaft is worn out and almost not even there. I am getting a new cam follower from brian miller. I need a new gasket. Anything anyone has to say would be appreciated. Thanks! Edited by young enthusiest, Mar 9 2009, 04:26 PM.
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| POWERSTROKE | Mar 9 2009, 05:48 PM Post #2 |
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Replace those stamped steel upper & lower bearing races, and I'd also replace the 14 ball bearings. They should all be the same size. I don't know how it worked with all the different sizes. Run a good sharp flat file over the surface of the steering sector ( kidney shaped plate with the big bolt) that the seal runs on. Also maybe run a whet stone over it too to smooth it up more. You don't want ANY sharp or rough spots on that surface. There's radiuses on the top & bottom of the steering worm the ball bearings run against. Make sure they're really smooth too. Don't tighten the big hex nut & jam nut on the sector too tight, and on the big plug on the bottom, tighten until the steering starts to get tight, then back it off a slot or two where the cotter key goes in to lock that plug in place. |
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| agitch | Mar 9 2009, 05:54 PM Post #3 |
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Let us know how much of a pain it is. I'm considering doing that do the 782. |
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| Yosemite Sam | Mar 9 2009, 11:14 PM Post #4 |
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Not exactly sure what's going on with that steering gear, there are supposed to be 16 ball bearings 8 on top and 8 on bottom, they should also have a plastic divider/cage to keep the balls evenly spaced. Go to the John Deere dealership, tell them you have a JD 110 and you need the parts for it... They are the same parts but they are much cheaper than from IH/Case. The gasket and the metal plate that it fastens to are sold as one piece. When I put the ones that I rebuild back together, I set them up just a little tight (Not the end plug, just the cam follower) usually they feel a little tighter in the middle of the travel than they do on the ends. I'm not exactly sure why but they always seem to loosen up once you bolt them back into the tractor. agitch Ff your 782 has the same type gear go ahead and tear into it, they really aren't that hard to do (I've done dozens of them and I'm dumb as a stump). If your steering is loose you will really be surprised at how much better it is when you put it back together. Unless something is really bad, often times the only parts that really need to be replaced are the upper bushing, the bearing cups, the gasket and plate and sometimes the cam follower, if the other parts aren't worn I don't replace them, and I've never had a problem with my columns. |
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| 67hydro | Mar 10 2009, 07:13 AM Post #5 |
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Im with Yosemite sam, I just took my steering apart for the 70 and there were 16 balls !! they sat in little plastic "holders" , dont know the proper term. Looks like your bearings realy got some wear on them.WOW. Mine were a bit out of round and the cups were cracked all the way around. Your lucky on the plate being flat,mine is warped a bit in the middle. Jason |
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| weaverama | Mar 10 2009, 07:45 AM Post #6 |
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I found a cam follower at my local Ace hardware. Do ask them to cross reference the John Deere 110 parts list. Cheaper and more available. |
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| Matt G. | Mar 10 2009, 09:03 AM Post #7 |
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You're lucky water didn't get in there. I have a column that must have had water in it, because some of the ball bearings are SQUARE from all the pitting, and the worm gear is pitted where the bearings ride. I'm not sure it can be saved. |
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| young enthusiest | Mar 10 2009, 09:26 AM Post #8 |
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WOW! that was a lot of responses fast! about getting the gasket and holder from a JD dealer. I can do that. can I get the bearings from the same place, or are they different? If you look closely on one of the pics of the steering shaft, (the clear one) you can see that there is quite a bit of material missing from it. do I need to replace it too? I think my dad and I can smooth out the bearing races. The plastic bushing up top is in decent shape, but the steering wheel was screwed, and there is a big gap where it is supposed to cover it, so I might need a steering wheel too. Is everybody saying that I should cancel my order for a cam follower from brian miller and just get it from the JD place? that might be a bit rude, but he might understand. thanks for the help guys! :D |
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| weaverama | Mar 10 2009, 09:42 AM Post #9 |
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Hey Young Enthusiast, I'm not recommending to cancel order with Brian. He is a fine man that provides an incredible service and a wealth of knowledge. My good luck at the Ace Hardware was just an FYI to all. Sharing what we know is what it is all about. Those ball bearings look shot, I have also had luck finding relacement ball bearings at my local Ace. Now that plastic carrier could be a little dicey to find but check the JD parts list out. Best of luck. |
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| dyt4000 | Mar 10 2009, 09:45 AM Post #10 |
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I agree...keep your order. Brian is an excellent resource you wouldn't want to risk losing in the future... |
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| young enthusiest | Mar 10 2009, 12:28 PM Post #11 |
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I got to spend some more time on the steering today. Cleaned out the box. I need a new one. one of the guide balls, was shoved through the casing, pushing the mounting bracket off of the box. the PO sloppily welded the bracket back on. I also found 3 more bearing balls. the total is now 17. they are all different sizes. The races are also shot in the box. the bottom race migrated to the threads of the bottom plug. the top is just screwed. There are a lot og sharp edges and grooves that should not be there. I might take the box from skip, or maybe from JD if they have one. I should be able to get pics of the box in a couple hours. Oh yeah, the grease zerc has clockwise threads right? mine turns but it does not come out! |
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| Matt G. | Mar 10 2009, 12:36 PM Post #12 |
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Most of the grease fittings that I have had to replace on Cubs have all been the press-fit type instead of the threaded kind. You'll have to pull it out with a vice-grip or something. You're probably better off getting a used column...I doubt you want to know what a new one costs if it is even available anymore. |
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| young enthusiest | Mar 10 2009, 12:42 PM Post #13 |
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OK. Thanks. I guess skip has more parts coming my way. $250 from one of the parts dealers is a bit much for my pocketbook. all I need is the wheel and the box. I hope the JD dealer has the rest. as much as I want to support our sponsors, I don't want to break the bank, so local businesses must be tried first. Thanks for the help |
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| young enthusiest | Mar 10 2009, 08:29 PM Post #14 |
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Pictures!!!!! I got some pictures of the screwed steering box. But first. about the "guide ball" being pushed through the box, I was wrong. both threaded holes that the carriage bolts go in, go all the way into the box. there were three more balls between the holes. the total is now 20. These pictures show why the box is screwed. Not a great pic, our camera has some problems. But you should be able to see the crack where the mounting bracket, (containing the threaded holes) was separated from he rest of the box  This shows a side view of the crack  If you look at the dark line, that is where the balls were riding. they have flattened the threads in that area.    This is aimed at the PO. :Bash :Bash :Bash :Bash :Bash :Bash :Bash :Bash :Bash :angry :Censored :Censored :Censored :Choke :Choke :Choke :Mad :Mad :swear :swear :swear :Spank :Spank :Spank :Shame :Shame :Shame :Shocked :Shocked :Shocked How could they let this happen? If anybody has any questions or wants different angles, please say so. I can get pics on here in about 20 minutes. If i'm not disturbed |
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| R Bedell | Mar 11 2009, 06:10 AM Post #15 |
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Tyler: We have all seen and encountered something broken or worn in our Cubs. Yours is no different. And as for those P.O. people..........can you say..........."numb skull"..... :Extreme Fun |
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