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| TheEyebrow | Jun 11 2007, 01:31 AM Post #1 |
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Studies show that of several prominent social groupings, atheists are the least electable in America. So, do you follow this trend OR do you trust an atheist just as much/more so than an everyday theist as president. |
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| USCHAMP | Jun 11 2007, 02:21 AM Post #2 |
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Now I know absolutely nothing about atheists, but do they believe in any kind of intelligent design at all? I mean I honestly couldn't follow anyone who doesn't believe in intelligent design, how can you look around and not see it? You don't have to be a Christian/Muslim/Hindu/etc., but you at least have to believe it was all created. Like I said, I know nothing about them other than they believe in evolution (which I believe as well) so if anyone could enlighten me on their beliefs please do so. Kthanx |
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| The Wizard of Goz | Jun 11 2007, 09:29 AM Post #3 |
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Race, Gender, Reglion, whatever. If i like the person's view on certain issues and i believe they can do a good job leading the country, they got my vote. Heck they could be non-human for all i care (maybe predator will run one day? lolol) |
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| TheEyebrow | Jun 12 2007, 01:41 AM Post #4 |
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I'm an atheist, so you know SOMETHING about them (they're hot) So to answer your question, atheists do not believe in intelligent design. How can I look around and not see it? Because my design came with eyes, and I've never seen a God with them. Why would so many babies be born with genetic defects if it were intelligent design? Genetic defects seem more in line with a process that necessarily includes failures. The only logic of genetic advantage comes from the interaction of genetic expression, not from above. People have been looking around and "seeing" racism for years too, enough so to justify slavery and genocide. And whenever I discuss creation with religious people, they don't ask the same questions I'm asking. I can accept a possibility that there's some great creature with the ability to create worlds and cultures (A more advanced Legos perhaps), and that's fine. The existence of the Legopeople can be explained through creation. But then how is God created? I ask this of the Christians I've studied with and they say it's not our place to question that. Well if a God created me, he just created that question so why has he yet to create an answer? If a religion isn't questioning how it's most essential element came to be, how can it claim to explain anything? Frankly if we're just legopeople, then I'm not that interested in how we came to be. If there's a God, his creation is so insignificant compared to him that it's not worthy of praise at all. No one cares about legopeople, but we do care when a human can create an android - Data is cool. So when God makes a God species, I'll take note. But I'm interested in the explanations of the MOST essential parts of this universe, not some little sculptures he made from dirt. Cosmology, biology, and the theory (NOT HYPOTHESIS) of evolution do explain the most important parts. I don't think we're legopeople, so I do think we're worthy of curiosity, worthy of exploration. I hear religious people sometimes saying "So we just RANDOMLY appeared OUT OF NOWHERE right HERE out of the BILLIONS of stars in the universe and managed to almost MAGICALLY EVOLVE into the creatures of intelligence we now are" in a mocking tone, laughing at the improbability of it. But yes, I do think that. We really shouldn't be here. Who's more impressive, the orphan who studies hard and works his butt off to make it to college or the rich kid whose parents paid every cent of his tuition. I'm the rich kid, and I'm not that impressive. Neither is any religious story of the creation of the universe WHEN COMPARED to evolution and cosmology's story. Evolution and cosmology is also VASTLY more accurate. Remember, the Catholic church persecuted people for arguing that the Earth wasn't at the center of the solar system. The Pope apologized in the early 90's for it in fact. It used to seem pretty apparent that the Earth was the center of the universe, and frankly if I'd never been told otherwise I WOULD believe it, just because it does SEEM TRUE. But that's just ego in motion. Sometimes I SEEM like the coolest guy at a party and yet total douchebags walk away with the girls. It was men like Copernicus who humbled themselves and accepted punishment who opened the door to real truth. The religions that preach humility are the ones that strike me as most hypocritical. I know people want an afterlife and want to keep living in some Utopia, who the hell doesn't. I know people want to believe they're special, unconditionally loved, and always important in the universe. But it's just nonsense to create a story that fulfills all those desires, then say you're humbling yourself in the face of that mighty 'truth'. Humility to the truth is accepting the fact that you ain't special, sometimes you're the least significant thing in the universe, and YOU WILL DIE. If you react to the fear of that statement, you're not accepting a truth. Losing one's religion is probably one of the most depressing and scary things someone can do - I got to mix mine with normal puberty. I say I used to be religious because whether a child believes in a God, there is a selfishness and inflated sense of importance that becomes that child's dominant ideology - religion simply provides an easy explanation for that ideology, but in no way creates it. As that child grows, they will question that importance as any child should, and I fear religion provides an inaccurate answer that is only accepted based on its compelling claim of infallibility, easier emotional implications (no fear), and popular appeal. So that's basically it. There's plenty of stuff that seems obvious to me in this world, but more of it is the reasons why one would want to believe in a god (fear, ego, laziness, easy justifications, social pressure) than any god itself. Look at home schoolers man - their moms tell them they're awesome and special and the most wonderful boy in the world and they totally act it. To them, their superiority is completely apparent and obvious. So they act like assholes to other people and ignore their more accurate, but less appealing, worldviews. I don't have any universal reason to be peaceful, but I know I'm not going to be involved in a Holy War anytime soon. Yet people who DO have reasons and orders to be peaceful wage war all the time to preserve those orders. I like the side I'm on. |
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