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The Pussification of America
Topic Started: Oct 26 2010, 11:00 AM (459 Views)
El Creepo H
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39850323/ns/local_news-washington_dc/

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In a move a federal education official described as unprecedented, the Obama administration is announcing today that schools that do not prevent bullying may lose federal funds.

Bloomberg reports that the U.S. Department of Education may strip federal funds from schools that do not enforce gender-discrimination laws. The move signals a shift in the way the government approaches bullying: as a form of harassment, subject to the nation's civil-rights statutes, rather than an unfortunate aspect of growing up.


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TheEyebrow
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I'm for it. Kids need a chance to escape bullying, and we can't force kids into schools on a daily basis without some sort of protection. Plus any teachers too stupid to understand that the effects of bullying directly hurt the ability of students to pay attention deserve to be fired, as they're clearly not accomplishing their job. Like I said in cyberbullying, I'm ok with asking kids to man up, but you have to give them a safe area to do so or they'll just react with violence to themselves or others.
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Give me a break. Schools can't protect every kid 24/7, just like the Police can't do the same for you or I on the streets. You gunna cut federal funding to them too because they're not 100% successful?

This move strikes me as all talk, I doubt the administration would ever have the balls (or the resources) to follow up on this claim. It's just for when the voters go back to the polls for O'bama he can say he took action on the issue.
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Oct 26 2010, 07:29 PM
Give me a break. Schools can't protect every kid 24/7, just like the Police can't do the same for you or I on the streets. You gunna cut federal funding to them too because they're not 100% successful?

This move strikes me as all talk, I doubt the administration would ever have the balls (or the resources) to follow up on this claim. It's just for when the voters go back to the polls for O'bama he can say he took action on the issue.
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Hold on now, we're not talking about a 100% successful rate. The article says the funds are only withheld after 1. A bullying incident has already taken place at the school and 2. The school ignores it. So all it's saying is that if there's a known incident, the school has to respond. That's not too much to ask, and I expect it's what many teachers do now anyways. But I've seen videos/heard stories of teachers just standing by watching as kids are bullied, and I think that's what this law is targeting. Principals will probably go around to teachers now and make sure they know the law and that they'll be fired if they don't respond. So yeah shit happens, but all this law is saying is that when the shit happens, wipe it up.

I do think the administration would follow up on this actually. It doesn't require funding, it in fact withholds funding. I think a lot of politicians already want to break the teachers union's hold on schools, and in some way this gives the govt. more power than it had before, which I think they definitely want. Further, since you said it's just a political move, don't you acknowledge that if Obama had a chance to follow through and have an example of protecting gays to show to constituents, he'd want it to get the gay vote?

And yeah I bet Obama wants credit for having taken action, but when is that not true? Any new law satisfies somebody, and the whole point of having representatives is to respond to citizens anyways, so why is that such a bad thing? It's like "Damnit I voted for you and now you're doing what I want cause you want me to vote for you again! Damn you!". Further, do you really think this requires no response and Obama doesn't give a shit except for this upcoming election? Yeah the recent string of shit has been gay suicides, but it's not like bullying just started. Remember that kid who got doused with gasoline and set on fire? That shit is attempted homicide, it's not like you can just say "oh that's boys being boys". Schools are a special institution. You can limit gun rights in schools that you can't do outside of schools, because there's a special need to protect children. And the problem isn't crying teenagers, it's corpses. There are corpses piling up of kids because of things happening at schools. While it's not the exact same as school shootings, the end result is mean kid + dead victim, and you'd never just ignore school shootings. I think you gotta try SOMETHING if you can.
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Oct 27 2010, 03:51 PM
I do think the administration would follow up on this actually. It doesn't require funding, it in fact withholds funding. I think a lot of politicians already want to break the teachers union's hold on schools, and in some way this gives the govt. more power than it had before, which I think they definitely want.
To follow up on it, you need people to investigate it. O'bama just can't say "hey we got a complaint about your school you're cut off!" That means creating a whole new department in the government to oversee this process, which means it will require funding.

Extending the already long dick of the gov't a little further into our asses, the FWO way!
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You don't need a whole new department. There must already be similar schemes in place regarding pedophilia, whether disabled kids have proper facilities, DARE and shit. Bullying could just be one new form of complaint that existing institutions now consider. It could require additional staff I suppose, but not an entire department.
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Oct 27 2010, 05:53 PM
You don't need a whole new department. There must already be similar schemes in place regarding pedophilia, whether disabled kids have proper facilities, DARE and shit. Bullying could just be one new form of complaint that existing institutions now consider. It could require additional staff I suppose, but not an entire department.
You know how bureaucracy works, they will create a bunch of new positions for this since some politicians will need to hook up their buddies with sweet government gigs.
Then those people will need a boss of course, so some "Czar" position will be created. Liberal or Conservative, you know this is how politics goes, it's the old boys club living off the taxpayer dime.
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This whole "boo hoo! bullies are mean! i'm gonna kill myself!" garbage needs to stop. Everyone who is being bullied should sack up.
"Those who matter don't mind and those who mind don't matter"
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Apr 10 2012, 10:08 PM
This whole "boo hoo! bullies are mean! i'm gonna kill myself!" garbage needs to stop. Everyone who is being bullied should sack up.
Its all part of growing up, people are way too sensitive these days.
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