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| Smash Bros: 64, Melee, Brawl Discussion; Not technically a first party game, but sure. | |
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| Firebro24 | Oct 13 2011, 04:01 AM Post #16 |
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I definitely like using Ness in the original and Brawl. I don't like playing him as much in Melee. My room mate uses Ness in Melee anyways, and I try to avoid doubling characters. In Melee I main Ganondorf. I started playing as him just messing around and I realized I can wipe the floor with him. Not so much in Brawl, though. In the next game, I will probably stick with Ness, and depending on what characters are revealed, I'll mess around with those. Speaking of which, any character predictions? I am 80% sure Lord Ghirahim will be playable. |
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| MetaZora | Oct 13 2011, 01:30 PM Post #17 |
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I remember hearing somebody say this and I still think it would be a brilliant idea, but a young Link like in Melee, except he has the masks from MM and he would be like the Pokemon Trainer from Brawl only instead of calling out three different pokemon he would transform into deku scrub, goron, and zora link. That would be so badass, especially if they want to hype up Majora's Mask 3D, which they better make! |
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| Flames540 | Oct 13 2011, 01:40 PM Post #18 |
Flaming hot from the inside, Chilling cool from the outside!
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great idea! and Young Link's final smash should be, letting MM's moon crash on the stage causing burn on players and heavily damaging them or either Song of storms with stronger attacks or even the Song of Time where everyone stands still, for Link to beat the shit out of any character! |
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| PokeCat | Oct 13 2011, 03:29 PM Post #19 |
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Nice job with the ideas!  Though, I personally think Toon Link was good, but his final smash should be different. Toon Link was easy to obtain, but Wolf took me a few times to beat. He was hard! 
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| MetaZora | Oct 13 2011, 06:20 PM Post #20 |
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Haha. Oh my god that would be freaking sweet. Right before it crashes he could play the song of soaring and teleport away for the duration of the moon collision. |
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| Flames540 | Oct 14 2011, 04:43 PM Post #21 |
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xD that would be priceless! oh man! if Nintendo ever read these posts...the next gen SSB is would be awesome! |
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| Eremurus | Oct 16 2011, 08:03 AM Post #22 |
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Everything about this is... wrong. Kirby is the worst character, hands down, in Melee. Terrible priority, small hitboxes, 3 useless grabs, lightweight, unreliable recovery, but doesn't possess the same kind of aerial mobility that Jigglypuff has, so he fell fairly quickly too in the air. Overall, just horribly designed and even Pichu has legitimate combos, a rape Nair, and while his grab boxes are small, he had choppy, semi-guaranteed follow-ups stemming from UpThrow. Kirby has no range, and can't do anything about it. Kirby in Brawl is much better- mid tier. Hitboxes have improved, damage output is more reliable, grabs that actually work, and while Bair was pretty much his only safe killing move and poke, Kirby was granted more safe, quick moves that came out faster and had better priority. Maybe it was due to your personal preferences- you understood Melee's mechanics a bit more, but it's definitely not because of Kirby. He was bad. Really bad. And computers in Brawl are much harder- they're designed with extensive amounts of code and have shown adaptation techniques. Funny thing is, programs were conducted on LV. 9 Brawl computers, and since hit-stun has been significantly reduced, computers cannot follow up. But with hit-stun, they're actually surprisingly intelligent when it comes to making rationalized decisions. Edited by Eremurus, Oct 16 2011, 08:08 AM.
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| Picklegod | Oct 16 2011, 10:34 AM Post #23 |
Don't you agree, Zach?
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You can't really say he's the "worst" character in a generalized sense. I know there's all that tier stuff, but as far as I know (which isn't very far) that only measures potential for victory or something like that. At the end of the day, "best" and "worst" are defined by each player. There are too many individual differences in the player, too many variables to be accounted for. My two cents anyway. I, for one, preferred Melee Kirby to Brawl Kirby. |
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| Eremurus | Oct 17 2011, 12:41 AM Post #24 |
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No, we can definitely, without a doubt, by looking directly at his data. Matchups, options, moveset, hitboxes, range, mobility; the tier list is generalized, and only really focuses on character potential alone in a controlled, strict, tournament environment. And even in a generalized sense Kirby is on par with Pichu and Bowser, and if we analyze it specifically, even Kirby pales in comparison to the rest of bottom tier. This game has been out for 10 years, and it's not like people haven't measured character potential through raw, imported data alone. Character potential does not equate, nor even correlate to player skill. Some characters will always be better. Always. No exceptions. And remember that matchups are based on top level play itself, so there aren't that many loopholes to begin with. Edited by Eremurus, Oct 17 2011, 12:44 AM.
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| Picklegod | Oct 17 2011, 08:06 AM Post #25 |
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Don't you agree, Zach?
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Like I said, I don't really know much about tier lists. The point I was trying to make (and I probably should have just said it like this in the first place) is that the best for one person isn't always the best for another. Same with the worst. That's all I was trying to say. |
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| MetaZora | Oct 17 2011, 01:28 PM Post #26 |
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I always kicked major ass with Kirby in Melee. In fact me and many of my friends would fight over who got to be Kirby when we used to play Melee. (We hated doubling up characters) In my opinion he does feel a little better in Brawl, but not by a whole lot, and I don't care too much for his final smash, so I rarely choose him in Brawl.
Edited by MetaZora, Oct 17 2011, 01:29 PM.
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| Eremurus | Oct 17 2011, 04:27 PM Post #27 |
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Fair enough. Just because characters suck complete ass doesn't mean that we don't enjoy using them. Even us, tourneyfags, use low and bottom tier characters in tournament matches, but we understand that the likelihood of us winning is lower. That's all a tier list is- a rough analyzed assessment of character viability. Matchups are more important anyways. But if matchups are weighed accurately, they begin to correlate, but I prefer matchups solely because they are more specific. Edited by Eremurus, Oct 17 2011, 04:28 PM.
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| Togeshroob | Oct 17 2011, 05:58 PM Post #28 |
(Temporarily closed. ...Gwaargh!) *doo wee doo wee doo*
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If Debbie is indeed playable I will never use anyone else again. But as for predictions (and these are who I feel are likely, not necessarily those I want) - Mii Character Professor Layton Ryu/Mega Man/Zero (Capcom) New Zelda Character (Toon Link will likely have been MIA from the series for a while, so hopefully no Link clone) Only one Mother character Someone entirely off the wall representing a specific era/playstyle in Ninty's history (ROB, Game and Watch) - like Cooking Mama or some such Yeah, unless they finally release the Mother Compilation Trilogy sometime before the next Smash, I'm pretty sure a Mother character will be dropped (most likely Lucas, since Ness is a veteran). Also, another Metroid character would be cool (and long overdue), but I don't see it as likely. Ridley is really the main candidate, but after being a huge boss in Brawl, I don't think they'll go with the shrinking idea. |
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| PokeCat | Oct 17 2011, 07:58 PM Post #29 |
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Mmmm....Cooking Mama would be a good ASSIST TROPHY, not really a good playable character. Lol, playable Miis.  To replace Jigglypuff, I would like to see Aipom come into Brawl. I mean, he could have Focus Punch as a charge attack, Swift as a projectile move, ect. Also, Krystal should really be in there, or I'm gonna cry. 
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| Eremurus | Oct 17 2011, 08:12 PM Post #30 |
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Predictions are a waste of time. |
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